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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I agree, bad move to draw a "red line" against Assad and then when its crossed find that you have no reasonably course of action to punish him for it. At least he didn't pre-commit to a specific course of action ahead of time, ie he never said if you cross this red line we will start an air campaign or we will back the rebels even more. He just said don't cross it, but still to say that and to do nothing doesn't look good.
    I agree. I believe red lines should only be drawn where critical national interests are at stake. None are at stake in Syria.

    It still remains to be seen who used chemical weapons, if in fact they were used. If the Assad dictatorship used them, it almost certainly reflected that regime's likely correct calculation that because no critical U.S. interests were involved, the U.S. would not resort to military intervention.

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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

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    I knew Sean so you can **** right off buddy.

    Yeah? If that is truly the case, and you were a friend, then I am sorry for your loss, however, your ideological predispositions aside, the real disrespect to his memory comes from those ordering him not to fight to save anyone that night. The real disrespect comes from those lying to his parents face about a stupid video, covering up their inaction that night, and ordering him into a severely dangerous zone without protection under cover of a misleading, and stupid policy of "normalizing" our foot print there so that it can provide cover for shipping arms supplied to Libya for their overthrow, and moving them through Turkey to Syria to covertly arm the rebels there.

    And all that cover up, and wrong headed decisions so that Obama could proceed through the election cycle and not have to be held accountable for it....I didn't know Sean, but as former 101st, and one that considers anyone whom has or is serving this nation to be a brother, that pisses me right the **** off!!! So, if you are going to argue in favor of the administration that threw his life away like so much inconvenient debris, and didn't lift a finger to help him? Then no sir, I don't think I'll be "****ing off" today.
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

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    How about neither.
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Why is up to the US to do something? Why not the UN or some other body?
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Why is up to the US to do something? Why not the UN or some other body?
    I am sure that a strongly worded letter, ya know, like the ones they rifle off to NK all too often will surely work on Assad no?
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sure that a strongly worded letter, ya know, like the ones they rifle off to NK all too often will surely work on Assad no?
    I agree that the UN is a wet paper bag, but I don't believe it is the US's responsibility to police every region of the world. We can offer intelligence and we can ensure open waterways. I am ok with that.
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I agree that the UN is a wet paper bag, but I don't believe it is the US's responsibility to police every region of the world. We can offer intelligence and we can ensure open waterways. I am ok with that.
    In a world where other powers step up to shoulder some of the burden of freedom then I would agree, but we don't live in that world. Competing powers have different agendas than what is beneficial to the US, and then there is the fact that this administration seems to be cherry picking whom they believe deserves our aid. Plus the fact that I believe that we are already covertly supplying the rebels with arms.

    Our fingers are already all over the ME and its changing landscape. We can't just turn our backs now because we have made the mistake of involvement in the first place. Also in the region is the fact of our strongest, and only true ally in the region, Israel, are we really to just turn our backs on them?
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In a world where other powers step up to shoulder some of the burden of freedom then I would agree, but we don't live in that world. Competing powers have different agendas than what is beneficial to the US, and then there is the fact that this administration seems to be cherry picking whom they believe deserves our aid. Plus the fact that I believe that we are already covertly supplying the rebels with arms.

    Our fingers are already all over the ME and its changing landscape. We can't just turn our backs now because we have made the mistake of involvement in the first place. Also in the region is the fact of our strongest, and only true ally in the region, Israel, are we really to just turn our backs on them?

    I see where you are coming from. I see the competing powers. I see that leaving other entities to handle the situation may not benefit us. And I would assume we have been getting weapons there as well.

    I would not turn our back on Israel. I just wouldn't fight a war for them. Share our intelligence with them. Cross train with their units. However, I can't say it is our responsibility to spearhead a war in Syria.
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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    there is the fact that this administration seems to be cherry picking whom they believe deserves our aid. Plus the fact that I believe that we are already covertly supplying the rebels with arms.
    Facts based on "seems" and conspiracy theory? That's a tough start for a debate.

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    Re: Syria fighting rages, more chemical attacks reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Kill them all isn't genocide?
    Killing all the bad guys? Of course it's not. It's childish to suggest that it is.
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