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    Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    An organization's expenditures are not the only factor used by the IRS when determining its nonprofit status. The IRS has an obligation to determine if the organization primarily deals with "social welfare" before it awards it with a 501 (c)(4) tax code. In order to accomplish this task additional questions must be asked. For example , if an organization spends little, but uses volunteers to promote a candidate it will be rejected.

    When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress.

    The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application.

    And the head of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, whose application languished with the I.R.S. for more than two years, sent out e-mails to members about Mitt Romney campaign events and organized members to distribute Mr. Romney’s presidential campaign literature.

    Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency, harassed with inappropriate questionnaires and put off for months or years as the agency delayed decisions on their applications.

    But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.

    “Money is not the only thing that matters,” said Donald B. Tobin, a former lawyer with the Justice Department’s tax division who is a law professor at Ohio State University. “While some of the I.R.S. questions may have been overbroad, you can look at some of these groups and understand why these questions were being aske.

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    I love watching mega-dems bend over for this. If it happened under republican direction and against democrats, mega-dems would be losing their minds in the other direction. There would be Hitler pics of Bush.

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    I hope this puts all the IRS scandal crap to rest. These groups should have been targeted because they were not eligible for tax exempt status and were still applying.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I hope this puts all the IRS scandal crap to rest. These groups should have been targeted because they were not eligible for tax exempt status and were still applying.
    Yeah, right.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

    IRS agents singled out dozens of organizations for additional reviews because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their exemption applications, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. In some cases, groups were asked for lists of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.
    The IRS always apologizes when it's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I hope this puts all the IRS scandal crap to rest. These groups should have been targeted because they were not eligible for tax exempt status and were still applying.
    I bet some of those so investigated were approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I bet some of those so investigated were approved.
    It's a bet you would probably win. Sometimes it's hard to prove even though we all know the money was not going to social welfare. Still they deserved the extra scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I hope this puts all the IRS scandal crap to rest. These groups should have been targeted because they were not eligible for tax exempt status and were still applying.
    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    It's a bet you would probably win. Sometimes it's hard to prove even though we all know the money was not going to social welfare. Still they deserved the extra scrutiny.

    Sometimes, it's pretty amazing what a blurb from a newspaper article can do for people. Then I wonder... how could someone be so convinced by a quote from a newspaper article?


    To make matters even more ridiculous, from the OP article:

    And agency officials have acknowledged that specialists inappropriately used keywords like “Tea Party” and “Patriots” in searching through applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I love watching mega-dems bend over for this. If it happened under republican direction and against democrats, mega-dems would be losing their minds in the other direction. There would be Hitler pics of Bush.
    I love how Republicans ignore the fact the IRS WAS doing what they should have been doing (just not doing it to nearly enough groups) and then talk about Bush. This, of course, after we've heard for the last year that Bush isn't in office anymore. It seems Republicans have no problem bringing up George W. Bush when it suits their purposes.

    It's simple. The IRS should be cracking down on this practice. Most of America agrees money plays far too large of a role in American politics. We shouldn't be playing "my team vs. their team", we should be playing "citizens vs. corporations/billionaires". I'm far more offended that liberal groups were given a free pass than I am that Tea Party groups were flagged for review. This should have nothing to do with party politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I love how Republicans ignore the fact the IRS WAS doing what they should have been doing (just not doing it to nearly enough groups) and then talk about Bush. This, of course, after we've heard for the last year that Bush isn't in office anymore. It seems Republicans have no problem bringing up George W. Bush when it suits their purposes.

    It's simple. The IRS should be cracking down on this practice. Most of America agrees money plays far too large of a role in American politics. We shouldn't be playing "my team vs. their team", we should be playing "citizens vs. corporations/billionaires". I'm far more offended that liberal groups were given a free pass than I am that Tea Party groups were flagged for review. This should have nothing to do with party politics.
    So, you're pro-IRS scandals? I'm not so sure that a politically driven rogue IRS is a good idea.

    Then again, we know how extreme-partisans are... ends justifies the means. It shouldn't be a surprise that some people will make themselves look like mindless sheep in order to support their team. I wonder... do these people know what they look like to the rest of us? Are they aware? I don't think so. I think they just do their thing without ever realizing how it appears to others.


    Your post is similar to: "I don't care if cops target black people, I'm just as upset about that as the fact that they didn't target whites also! Cops need to target people because there are many lawbreakers. If we start with the blacks, that's ok with me!"

    That's what it looks like. Just in case you hadn't realized.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I love how Republicans ignore the fact the IRS WAS doing what they should have been doing (just not doing it to nearly enough groups) and then talk about Bush. This, of course, after we've heard for the last year that Bush isn't in office anymore. It seems Republicans have no problem bringing up George W. Bush when it suits their purposes.

    It's simple. The IRS should be cracking down on this practice. Most of America agrees money plays far too large of a role in American politics. We shouldn't be playing "my team vs. their team", we should be playing "citizens vs. corporations/billionaires". I'm far more offended that liberal groups were given a free pass than I am that Tea Party groups were flagged for review. This should have nothing to do with party politics.
    Yes, there's far too much money in politics, but the article makes the point money is not the only consideration when the IRS determines whether an organization is granted nonprofit status. It's what the organization does that's important; they may spend their money on what might be considered "social welfare" but they may have volunteers pushing a candidate which would disqualify them for nonprofit.


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