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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Can anyone tell me how many Tea Party and conservative group was denied? can anyone tell me how many liberal groups was denied?
    can anyone tell me how many Tea party group received their status?
    can anyone tell me how many liberals groups received their status?

    I know. just wonder if any of you know, and shouldn't that information be known before you can make any judgment

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't have a problem with it? You clearly don't read my posts, I specifically said over and over that I don't believe any political group should receive tax extempt status.
    Yet, you are hell bent on defending the wrongs that have been done by the IRS. Why is that, exactly? Lost in the partisan fog, or what?

    Thank God we have a justice system in this country that doesn't use newspaper articles as evidence of illegal activity.

    You still don't know what Crossroads's financials actually look like and like it, or not, WAPO doesn't know, either.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Because their primary activity is not the promotion of social welfare, their primary activity is politics.

    Karl Rove's Crossroads is not primarily engaged in social welfare.

    Define "social welfare"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Don't you think the questions were too invasive?

    Why would the IRS care about what people prey about?

    If the organization didn't comply with the rules, then they should have been denied, not put on a shelf and asked questions nobody could answer just to delay the application.

    Do you not see that?
    I don't understand your thought process. Delaying the application with an investigation is worse than outright denying without an investigation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't understand your thought process. Delaying the application with an investigation is worse than outright denying without an investigation?
    You didn't answer my question. Do you think the questions asked were too invasive? Were those the two only options? How about an investigation enough to know they don't comply and deny them.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I love watching mega-dems bend over for this. If it happened under republican direction and against democrats, mega-dems would be losing their minds in the other direction. There would be Hitler pics of Bush.
    Using the IRS to specifically target political opponents is wrong. And for the record... it did happen under Bush. And the lack of knowledge of this would indicate that the losing of the minds in the other direction isn't as bad as one might have thought.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Using the IRS to specifically target political opponents is wrong. And for the record... it did happen under Bush. And the lack of knowledge of this would indicate that the losing of the minds in the other direction isn't as bad as one might have thought.
    Yep, and the IG investigated it then as now...but they found no 'transgressions' then...but now, uh, well you know.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You didn't answer my question.
    I did, actually. I answered your question with a question, one in which I was pretty confident in your answer. Once you agree denying outright is not worse than delaying, the rest of your post became fairly irrelevant. However, to more directly respond...

    Do you think the questions asked were too invasive?
    No, I do not. Perhaps they were the wrong questions, but they were not too invasive. Whenever you are applying for a certain privilege, you are pretty much at the discretion of the entity granting the privilege. If I was filing for 501(c)4 status, and I was asked a question in relation to my filing that I felt was too invasive, then I would not continue with the process.

    Nobody has the right to that status, it's a privilege to be given. If you are applying and don't like the information required of you, then do not apply.

    How about an investigation enough to know they don't comply and deny them.
    That's what I've been wanting since this story first broke.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Define "social welfare"
    I can tell you that social welfare is not buying political ads on TV, regardless of how much you may feel that the content of the ad is for social welfare. Social welfare is about providing a meaningful service to people, for example soup lines, free health care, housing for the homeless, etc, etc, etc its not about running a TV ad for someone.

    And again, I don't whether you are liberal, conservative, republican or democrat, no one should cheat the tax system by getting a tax exempt status when their primary purpose isn't social welfare. In fact I don't think the words "primary activity" should be in the law, your group should be entirely engaged in social welfare for tax exempt status. But that's just my opinion and not really the issue.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm commenting on what I see you writing here

    You seem like one of those partisans that bends over backwards claiming how non-partisan they are, while being partisan. If my impression is wrong, then I apologize
    right, you just seem intent on focusing on the periphery tax designation issue
    I don't think any political group whether democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, should get a tax exempt status

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