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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I think the problem might be that you're seemingly engaging in an attempt to deflect from the scandal by focusing on the various issues that have really nothing to do with the case. It's like learning that someone got busted for drugs through various acts that infringed on their constitutional rights, and you going "well people shouldn't be doing drugs"


    Which would obvious ignore the issue of govt abuse
    By no means should this be ignored, its a big problem that political groups are getting tax extempt status by pretending to be something they aren't. But the problem with this IRS scandel isn't that they were targeting political groups trying pretend to be something they aren't, the problem is they aren't applying the law equally nor as strict as they should be.

    Many people think that these conservative groups should have gotten tax extempt status, they shouldn't, and neither should the liberal groups who actually did.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    By no means should this be ignored
    Well, that is the impression I get everytime someone addresses this discussion with a diatribe about the issues with various tax designations.

    its a big problem that political groups are getting tax extempt status by pretending to be something they aren't.
    Ha~!!! Well there you go.


    But the problem with this IRS scandel isn't that they were targeting political groups trying pretend to be something they aren't, the problem is they aren't applying the law equally nor as strict as they should be.
    Yet, the direction you and other liberals are attempting to drive the discussion completely avoids the issue of the IRS behavior


    Many people think that these conservative groups should have gotten tax extempt status, they shouldn't, and neither should the liberal groups who actually did.
    All fine and good, but totally questionable point to focus on given the case and smells of nothing more than political motivation

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    There were a few liberal groups that received the same letter from the IRS

    IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row - Bloomberg
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You make a good point.
    Let me even extend this point a little more. The IRS publication that attempts to define 'social welfare' is 39 PAGES LONG! And the conclusion:

    Although the Service has been making an effort to refine and clarify this area, section 501(c)(4) remains in some degree a catch-all for presumptively beneficial nonprofit organizations that resist classification under the other exempting provisions of the Code. Unfortunately, this condition exists because, "social welfare" is inherently an abstruse concept that continues to defy precise definition. Careful case-by-case analyses and close judgments are still required.
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

    But from the article:

    Section 1.501(c)(4)-1(a)(2)(i) of the Income Tax Regulations states that an organization will be considered to be operated exclusively for social welfare purposes if it is primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the community, i.e. primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements.
    Wouldn't a group who attempts to get more folks engaged in the political arena be an attempt to bring 'about civic betterments'? This being true across the entire political spectrum.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course it was. If the IRS had also targeted Liberal groups to the same extent, then we would not even be having this discussion.
    huh, does that even address what I just wrote?

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    There were a few liberal groups that received the same letter from the IRS

    IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row - Bloomberg
    a few liberal leaning organizations receiving extra scrutiny, for what ever reason, isn't mutually exclusive to the IRS choosing to specifically target right wing groups

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    huh, does that even address what I just wrote?
    Of course it does. Here is your post:

    right, and it seems there is a concerted effort to ignore this and go 'these groups should be under heavier scrutiny". Which, again, ignores the issue that scrutiny was applied based on perceived political affiliation.
    And here is my response:

    Of course it was. If the IRS had also targeted Liberal groups to the same extent, then we would not even be having this discussion.
    Pretty straightforward, don't you think?
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course it does. Here is your post:



    And here is my response:



    Pretty straightforward, don't you think?
    Yes, with the bolded text

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Well, that is the impression I get everytime someone addresses this discussion with a diatribe about the issues with various tax designations.
    Ha~!!! Well there you go.


    Yet, the direction you and other liberals are attempting to drive the discussion completely avoids the issue of the IRS behavior

    All fine and good, but totally questionable point to focus on given the case and smells of nothing more than political motivation
    Don't assign other people's actions or words to me, if I didn't say it then I'm not responsible for it. Don't lump me in with whatever group you think I belong to and hold me responsible or ask me to answer for what other people do.

    I've made my position clear on this issue, and I don't discriminate between liberals and conservatives or their political groups

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Let me even extend this point a little more. The IRS publication that attempts to define 'social welfare' is 39 PAGES LONG! And the conclusion:


    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

    But from the article:



    Wouldn't a group who attempts to get more folks engaged in the political arena be an attempt to bring 'about civic betterments'? This being true across the entire political spectrum.
    Getting folks engaged in the process is one thing, but folks who are clearly working to get out the vote for only one party is quite another. There is a gray area here, though, and both Liberal and Conservative groups have pushed and abused the envelope. This needs to end, but if it means only going after Conservative groups, then this is very wrong. And this appears to be what the IRS has done. Heads clearly need to roll here.
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