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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) You don't know that, since you don't have access to their financials and can't see how much of their activity accounts for, "social welfare".

    2) If that's the case, then the applications should have been outright denied and the orginizations advised as to what route they should take in setting up their orgizinational tax status. However, that didn't happen. Did it? AND, it only happened to Right Wing groups. And...AND...the scrutiny stopped after the election.


    There's no evidence that this was a legitimate investigation of NFP's, to make sure they were in compliance.
    If you think Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics and more engaged in social welfare than you're in self-denial. Also to achieve the tax exempt status the IRS must be convinced by the organization that it deserves it, it's not up to the IRS to prove that a perticular group is primarily political, its up to that group to prove that its not primarily political.

    Tax exempt is not the default status, so why don't you prove that Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics. Good luck with that. Well then again you'll probably come up with some bull**** to convince yourself.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If you think Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics and more engaged in social welfare than you're in self-denial. Also to achieve the tax exempt status the IRS must be convinced by the organization that it deserves it, it's not up to the IRS to prove that a perticular group is primarily political, its up to that group to prove that its not primarily political.
    I don't think anything. I'm pointing out that you don't know that Rove's orginization engages in less social welfare, than political campainging.

    What I do know, is that you don't seem to have a problem with NFP's, like unions, Moveon.org and Media Matters engaging in political activity.

    Tax exempt is not the default status, so why don't you prove that Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics. Good luck with that. Well then again you'll probably come up with some bull**** to convince yourself.
    I didn't say he is, or isn't. You're the one making the factual claim that he is engaged in primarily political activity...now, it's time you put up or shut up.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If you think Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics and more engaged in social welfare than you're in self-denial. Also to achieve the tax exempt status the IRS must be convinced by the organization that it deserves it, it's not up to the IRS to prove that a perticular group is primarily political, its up to that group to prove that its not primarily political.

    Tax exempt is not the default status, so why don't you prove that Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics. Good luck with that. Well then again you'll probably come up with some bull**** to convince yourself.
    I think the problem might be that you're seemingly engaging in an attempt to deflect from the scandal by focusing on the various issues that have really nothing to do with the case. It's like learning that someone got busted for drugs through various acts that infringed on their constitutional rights, and you going "well people shouldn't be doing drugs"


    Which would obvious ignore the issue of govt abuse

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If you think Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics and more engaged in social welfare than you're in self-denial. Also to achieve the tax exempt status the IRS must be convinced by the organization that it deserves it, it's not up to the IRS to prove that a perticular group is primarily political, its up to that group to prove that its not primarily political.

    Tax exempt is not the default status, so why don't you prove that Karl Rove is not primarily engaged in politics. Good luck with that. Well then again you'll probably come up with some bull**** to convince yourself.
    It might be wise to wait until Crossroads GETS their c4 status before proclaiming they didn't deserve it...

    Crossroads GPS, founded with help from GOP strategist Karl Rove, applied for formal recognition as a tax-exempt group in September 2010 and has not received it, spokesman Jonathan Collegio said.
    Karl Rove-affiliated group also targeted by IRS?

    just sayin'...
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It might be wise to wait until Crossroads GETS their c4 status before proclaiming they didn't deserve it...


    Karl Rove-affiliated group also targeted by IRS?

    just sayin'...
    If they are doing politics instead of social welfare, then they need to be targeted. That being said, the same should hold true for Liberal groups. The real wrongdoing is that the IRS has not been even handed in their targeting of the cheating, and abuse of 527(c) status, by political groups.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If they are doing politics instead of social welfare, then they need to be targeted. That being said, the same should hold true for Liberal groups. The real wrongdoing is that the IRS has not been even handed in their targeting of the cheating, and abuse of 527(c) status, by political groups.
    I agree wholeheartedly but I'm having trouble getting my head around the extents of 'social welfare'. Charities, soup kitchens, food pantries and the like are pretty clear but 'educational organizations' formed to inform folks on 'social issues' seem to have an ultimate goal to influence legislation which further leads to political ends. It's kinda how far does one go down the rabbit hole before it's too deep.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If they are doing politics instead of social welfare, then they need to be targeted. That being said, the same should hold true for Liberal groups. The real wrongdoing is that the IRS has not been even handed in their targeting of the cheating, and abuse of 527(c) status, by political groups.
    right, and it seems there is a concerted effort to ignore this and go 'these groups should be under heavier scrutiny". Which, again, ignores the issue that scrutiny was applied based on perceived political affiliation.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think anything. I'm pointing out that you don't know that Rove's orginization engages in less social welfare, than political campainging.

    What I do know, is that you don't seem to have a problem with NFP's, like unions, Moveon.org and Media Matters engaging in political activity.



    I didn't say he is, or isn't. You're the one making the factual claim that he is engaged in primarily political activity...now, it's time you put up or shut up.
    I don't have a problem with it? You clearly don't read my posts, I specifically said over and over that I don't believe any political group should receive tax extempt status.

    Here you go with a source.

    ‘Crossroads GPS and Priorities USA were created for the purpose of hiding donors.’

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    right, and it seems there is a concerted effort to ignore this and go 'these groups should be under heavier scrutiny". Which, again, ignores the issue that scrutiny was applied based on perceived political affiliation.
    Of course it was. If the IRS had also targeted Liberal groups to the same extent, then we would not even be having this discussion.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I agree wholeheartedly but I'm having trouble getting my head around the extents of 'social welfare'. Charities, soup kitchens, food pantries and the like are pretty clear but 'educational organizations' formed to inform folks on 'social issues' seem to have an ultimate goal to influence legislation which further leads to political ends. It's kinda how far does one go down the rabbit hole before it's too deep.
    You make a good point.
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