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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    True but they were trying to cheat the tax system that is undeniable as well. Neither these conservative groups nor the similar liberal groups should have gotten tax free status, problem is that this IRS office only gave the special scrunity to the conservative side.

    We shouldn't be calling on the IRS to stop this scrutiny of political groups trying to pretend to be social welfare organizations, but instead calling for them to do all this and more to everyone. No one should be able to cheat the tax system because of politics and we should want anyone to be able to cheat it because we like their politics.
    Never said they shouldn't be scrutinized, as long as the protocol is evenhanded.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do you have anything relevant to add regarding the OP, or more this ****?
    Actually, what I posted was related to the OP. I was explaining why not that many are believing the scandals that are now out there. And you come back with crap like this to answer it? Slow troll day for you today? Go back under your bridge.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    True but they were trying to cheat the tax system that is undeniable as well. Neither these conservative groups nor the similar liberal groups should have gotten tax free status, problem is that this IRS office only gave the special scrunity to the conservative side.

    We shouldn't be calling on the IRS to stop this scrutiny of political groups trying to pretend to be social welfare organizations, but instead calling for them to do all this and more to everyone. No one should be able to cheat the tax system because of politics and we should want anyone to be able to cheat it because we like their politics.
    Where's your evidence that they were trying to cheat the tax system?

    Do you even know what a 501 (c) 4 is?

    501(c)(4) organizations may inform the public on controversial subjects and attempt to influence legislation relevant to its program and, unlike 501(c)(3) organizations, they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as its primary activity is the promotion of social welfare.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where's your evidence that they were trying to cheat the tax system?

    Do you even know what a 501 (c) 4 is?
    Because their primary activity is not the promotion of social welfare, their primary activity is politics.

    Karl Rove's Crossroads is not primarily engaged in social welfare.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Damn! How'd I do that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Because their primary activity is not the promotion of social welfare, their primary activity is politics. Karl Rove's Crossroads is not primarily engaged in social welfare.
    1) You don't know that, since you don't have access to their financials and can't see how much of their activity accounts for, "social welfare".

    2) If that's the case, then the applications should have been outright denied and the orginizations advised as to what route they should take in setting up their orgizinational tax status. However, that didn't happen. Did it? AND, it only happened to Right Wing groups. And...AND...the scrutiny stopped after the election.


    There's no evidence that this was a legitimate investigation of NFP's, to make sure they were in compliance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    That is not even close to what I said. You're doing EXACTLY what I said people were doing, turning this into a political issue because you want your team to win.
    actually, I imagine the whole thing with targeting groups based on their politics is what made it political ...

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It's not just the IRS employees who would lose their jobs though. That's kind of what I was getting at.
    All of the money Citizens spend on complying with the federal tax laws could be considered
    part of the cost of goods sold of our government.
    Any reduction in that cost would help the economy.
    As it stands now the money is extracted from the system with a law of diminishing returns.
    Every time a dollar cycles through the government, only change comes back.
    I know if there were no IRS (say a federal sales tax), Many people would have to find
    something else to do.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't see a problem here, if you are seeking non profit status then you should expect to be scrutinized by the government.
    because such scrutiny was leveraged based on perceived political affiliation.

    Really, what is hard to understand about this?

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The problem isn't that these groups were being scrutinized, the problem is the way they were being scrutinized and it was ONLY being applied to the right wing groups. Had this been done with ALL groups you wouldn't have a scandal.
    Shut up, righty~!!!

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