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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    AP: Obama to speak at OFA summit

    $50,000 a plate---that's some pretty fine social welfare

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    An organization's expenditures are not the only factor used by the IRS when determining its nonprofit status. The IRS has an obligation to determine if the organization primarily deals with "social welfare" before it awards it with a 501 (c)(4) tax code. In order to accomplish this task additional questions must be asked. For example , if an organization spends little, but uses volunteers to promote a candidate it will be rejected.

    When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress.

    The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application.

    And the head of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, whose application languished with the I.R.S. for more than two years, sent out e-mails to members about Mitt Romney campaign events and organized members to distribute Mr. Romney’s presidential campaign literature.

    Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency, harassed with inappropriate questionnaires and put off for months or years as the agency delayed decisions on their applications.

    But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.

    “Money is not the only thing that matters,” said Donald B. Tobin, a former lawyer with the Justice Department’s tax division who is a law professor at Ohio State University. “While some of the I.R.S. questions may have been overbroad, you can look at some of these groups and understand why these questions were being aske.

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    then why wasn't there any Tea Party groups denied status they was just put in limbo. during that same time two liberal groups was denied status.
    The IG report already stated it was unfair targeting the IRS officials said it was unfair targeting Obama has said it was outrages what more do you need
    you are an insufferable Ideologue that is in complete denial

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    AP: Obama to speak at OFA summit

    $50,000 a plate---that's some pretty fine social welfare
    Not a problem Prof

    Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit social welfare organization and community organizing project in the United States, heavily affiliated with the Democratic Party.[1] It is the successor of U.S. president Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign and of Organizing for America, which itself succeeded Obama's 2008 campaign.[2]

    Founded after President Obama's re-election, the group seeks to mobilize supporters in favor of Obama's legislative priorities. OFA is registered as a 501(c)(4)organization.[3] The OFA website states its intention to "operate as a 'social welfare' organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code". According to the OFA's FAQ, "donations to OFA are not tax-deductible."[4] A 501(c)(4) may advocate for legislation but is prohibited from specifically supporting political candidates.[5]
    Organizing for Action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    wik---LOL!

    After launching in mid-January, the group was buffeted by sharp criticism for forming as a social welfare organization under section 501(c)4 of the tax code, which allows it to conceal its donors and accept unlimited sums. A plan to solicit $500,000 from wealthy donors and fund-raisers to be part of an advisory council that would meet quarterly with Obama fueled the controversy.
    Organizing for Action raises $4.8 million in first quarter - Los Angeles Times

    were YOU invited to quarterly meetings?

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    i think every 501c4 should receive an incredible degree of scrutiny. however, you can't just go after the conservative ones. that sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.

    personally, i find the 501c4 designation to be something of a joke, and i would shed exactly zero tears if the designation was eliminated.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Get rid of all of these shoddy loopholes that progressives love to exploit, then turn and cry foul when their political opponents do the same....In fact, the IRS is corrupt, and has far too much power, it needs to be scraped, and paired down through a flat, or fair tax amendment.
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    ... Still they deserved the extra scrutiny.
    I'll ask you the same question that most of your progressive friends run from in here...And that is,

    What does the content of a groups prayers have to do with their tax status?
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, you're pro-IRS scandals?
    That is about as far away from what I said as possible.

    I'm not so sure that a politically driven rogue IRS is a good idea.
    I agree. I said nothing which comes even close to suggesting a politically driven rogue IRS is a good idea.

    Then again, we know how extreme-partisans are... ends justifies the means. It shouldn't be a surprise that some people will make themselves look like mindless sheep in order to support their team. I wonder... do these people know what they look like to the rest of us? Are they aware? I don't think so. I think they just do their thing without ever realizing how it appears to others.

    Your post is similar to: "I don't care if cops target black people, I'm just as upset about that as the fact that they didn't target whites also! Cops need to target people because there are many lawbreakers. If we start with the blacks, that's ok with me!"

    That's what it looks like. Just in case you hadn't realized.
    That is not even close to what I said. You're doing EXACTLY what I said people were doing, turning this into a political issue because you want your team to win. Your post is indicative of the "mindless sheep" you alluded to.

    Do us both a favor and re-read my post. Maybe if you read it two or three times you'll understand why this post of yours was wrong in nearly every way possible. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes, there's far too much money in politics, but the article makes the point money is not the only consideration when the IRS determines whether an organization is granted nonprofit status.
    That may be, but that was not the point I was making. The point I was making is that the IRS should be cracking down on this practice, because it seems as if it's being exploited to throw even more money into politics. My post was a similar, yet different, tangent of the concept of the IRS situation.

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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes, there's far too much money in politics, but the article makes the point money is not the only consideration when the IRS determines whether an organization is granted nonprofit status. It's what the organization does that's important; they may spend their money on what might be considered "social welfare" but they may have volunteers pushing a candidate which would disqualify them for nonprofit.
    That's not what all of this is about, now is it?

    In January 2012, the screening was modified again, this time to watch for references to the Constitution or Bill of Rights, and for "political action type organizations involved in limiting-expanding government."

    Read more: Lawyer confirms she asked planted question that broke open IRS scandal | Fox News
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    Re: Groups Targeted by I.R.S. Tested Rules on Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I hope this puts all the IRS scandal crap to rest. These groups should have
    been targeted because they were not eligible for tax exempt status and were still applying.
    Only in the twisted world view of your average Lib, does it put the IRS scandal to rest.

    We have first a " apology" , and then we have a very central character taking the fifth, and then we have a criminal investigation with the IRS stonewalling.

    Nah, it will be "put to rest when we find out who ordered it and those who pushed it are prosecuted.

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