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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    To whatever degree government needs revenue, let it collect it through honest taxation, not through fraud and extortion.
    How is ticketing people for break the law fraud and extortion?
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's bull****. Not directed at you, but at the information here. Among politicians, Diogenes would have a really.tough.time.
    You really need a link to a reliable source to back your claim that the info is BS. Localities have been caoght decreasing yellow time to increase revnue.

    The cameras are sold to localities as revenue generators,with safety a secndary consideration. My concern is that the caameras do not ticket drivers, but cars. And, if you dispute the ticket, it is up to you to prove your innocence, opposite the government proving you guilty.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    You really need a link to a reliable source to back your claim that the info is BS. Localities have been caoght decreasing yellow time to increase revnue.

    The cameras are sold to localities as revenue generators,with safety a secndary consideration. My concern is that the caameras do not ticket drivers, but cars. And, if you dispute the ticket, it is up to you to prove your innocence, opposite the government proving you guilty.
    I KNEW I didn't make myself clear. I'm saying what they're doing according to that information is bull****. I believe it.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    I don't have time to find the reference but I remember reading about someone who successfully fought their town's red light camera policy by citing stats that "rolling right on red", the typical red light camera violation, were not significant causes of accidents while the red light cameras significantly increased rear end collisions.

    My real issue with them is that depending on how they're implemented they might be impossible to defend against. As long as the ticket is sent quickly enough after the incident that you can recall the details and video is provided so that you can determine whether or not you had a valid reason to blow the light I don't have a problem with them, provided the locality isn't monkeying with light timings.

    My town issues parking tickets based on photos taken by paid volunteers. In the age of photoshop I have some very big issues with that.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I absolutely have a problem with not being able to face my accuser, which is why many states have found them unconstitutional.

    Especially when most of said cash for isn't even going to the state but to the private camera companies.
    Nonsense, you get to face your accuser. I've seen it. The photo evidence is right there and clear. At least here in Beaverton, the camera system even records the exact phase of the light when you entered the intersection.

    What is it with folks wanting an excuse for running red lights? No, it's not acceptable, ever, and you should be fined each and every time and the fines should be punitive.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Chicago government acting to take in money rather than govern well? I'm shocked.
    At least those guys don't run the IRS. Oh! Wait! Uh oh . . . .
    If you Google Chicago - Redflex connection, it appears that some politicians took in the money Chicago style and bypassed the city altogether.

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    No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

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    In Chicago, they are impossible to defend- much like parking tickets.

    The court costs to defend the ticket is basically what it will cost you to pay it.

    Kind of a scam.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Gaius-
    In Chicago, they are impossible to defend- much like parking tickets.

    The court costs to defend the ticket is basically what it will cost you to pay it.

    Kind of a scam.
    There are no court costs to defend against a ticket, just show up and make your case.

    EDIT: also helps to know the local driving laws, but these you should already know if you have a drivers license.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Safety Evaluation of Red-Light Cameras–Executive Summary - FHWA-HRT-05-049
    Red Light Cameras save ~$40,000 in accidents per year. A red light camera costs more than $100,000 to install and operate. (presumably per year). It's fairly obvious that the cameras cost the public more than they save, especially considering that almost all evidence shows that extending yellow lights produces better results and costs essentially nothing.

    Red Light cameras appear to be a scheme between private companies and local municipalities to fleece the public. Not that this is a huge surprise. We all know towns and stretches of roads that are designed to give tickets. But something should be done about it. 1 in 10,000 Americans die every year in auto accidents. Traffic laws designed primarily for the purpose of raising revenue should be illegal,
    Longer ambers would be a sensible solution.

    As an aside: In Sweden they reduced the speed limit during the summer to 90km nationwide about 30-years ago. They claimed it would save 2,000 lives and had banners stating so on bridges etc... Wrong. It got more people killed and injured. They action was stopped.

    What I couldn't understand is it's the time of year when it's dry, the streets are warm, it's light almost 16 to 24-hours a day, and people drive with headlights on day or night. I might understand it if it was done during the winter... it wasn't!

    I'm wondering if it wasn't just a revenue raiser, as 90km on good highways is like walking... backwards.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    My problem with red light cameras is that oftentimes they are screened by a private company that makes money off of the tickets. They are also harder to contest in court where you argue against a picture. I fear that many localities would use a system to abuse tickets and generate revenue. Where I live they had red light cameras installed. but when they did so they also cut the yellow light time down from 3 sec to 2 sec which is not only more dangerous but was done to try and get people to violate the law in areas where they installed these cameras.

    I think it's fine to have cameras though and to catch those who violate the red light laws. My only thing is that it should be done by a monitoring center within the locality and the cameras should be reviewed solely by police officers in the jurisdiction issuing the tickets and not by some guy working for a private company hundreds of miles away.

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