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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Isn't it amazing though, look how quickly drivers learned that before making a right turn on red they must first come to a complete stop.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    No evidence, you say?

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have absolutely no problem with red-light cameras. If it's producing positive cash flow, that's good enough for me.
    The only legitimate reason for red-light cameras would be to have a positive impact on safety.

    Laws should only be enacted with the idea that by having people obey them will result in greater safety and order.

    If red-light cameras are being operated as a means of generating revenue, then we have an example of a “safety” related law being enacted and enforced in a manner that is based on the hope that people will violate the law, be caught doing so, and thus provide government with an excuse to extort fines from them. This is a form of corruption that should be considered absolutely unacceptable in any proper society. To whatever degree government needs revenue, let it collect it through honest taxation, not through fraud and extortion.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I vaguely recall some indications that they might actually increase accidents, because people freak out when the light turns yellow and slam on the breaks [sic] when they might otherwise have safely gone through the intersection during the switchover.
    I recall hearing of a scandal in San Diego, some years ago, where it was discovered that in intersection where red-light cameras were installed, the time of the yellow light was significantly shortened in order to increase the likelihood of drivers being deceived into being caught in the intersection when the light turned red. Once drivers caught on to the shorter yellows, apparently the incidence of rear-end collisions, just as you describe here, was proven to have been increased, negating any claim that the red-light cameras were there to enhance safety.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The only legitimate reason for red-light cameras would be to have a positive impact on safety.

    Laws should only be enacted with the idea that by having people obey them will result in greater safety and order.

    If red-light cameras are being operated as a means of generating revenue, then we have an example of a “safety” related law being enacted and enforced in a manner that is based on the hope that people will violate the law, be caught doing so, and thus provide government with an excuse to extort fines from them. This is a form of corruption that should be considered absolutely unacceptable in any proper society. To whatever degree government needs revenue, let it collect it through honest taxation, not through fraud and extortion.
    Pishaw. If you don't think the first time you're caught by a red light camera you are more cautious next time? I don't know what you're thinking. The only thing people understand is $$. This brings the point home rather nicely, I think.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Pishaw. If you don't think the first time you're caught by a red light camera you are more cautious next time? I don't know what you're thinking. The only thing people understand is $$. This brings the point home rather nicely, I think.
    At the end of it all, lacking any credible evidence that the program has increased safety, or was even honestly intended to do so, you're still left making excuses for government engaging in fraud and extortion as a means of raising revenue.

    If the program truly “worked” from a safety perspective, then very few drivers would be caught and fined, because very few would ever run red lights, and the program would probably lose money because it would not be collecting enough fines to pay the cost of maintaining it. Such a system can only be profitable by failing to stop people from committing the violations that it is intended to catch.

    After all, someone who runs a red light, and is caught on one of these cameras and fined, did not create any less danger to himself and others than someone else who runs a red light and is not caught.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, I won't doubt your statistics. But I'd say that a rear-ender is better than a T-bone. And people will learn. Don't follow so damned close and watch for stale greens. It's really not that hard if people are paying attention.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million Last Year | CNS News

    more from the ig:

    there is "little evidence that the overarching program strategy, guidelines, or appropriate metrics are being used to ensure the RLC program is being executed to the best benefit of the city or the general public”

    there is a “lack of basic record keeping for a program that costs tens of millions of dollars a year and generates tens of millions more in revenue"

    those ticketed are charged $100 each
    The ship has long sailed on the bull**** argument that camera's used by city governments against their citizenry are anything but a revenue source.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sounds like the same logic people used when wearing seat belts became law.

    Slamming on one's breaks should never cause an accident from the rear. If one doesn't recognize "a stale green light" as they're approaching it? They need more driver's training.
    Florida quietly shortened yellow light standards & lengths, resulting in more red light camera tickets for you

    A subtle, but significant tweak to Florida's rules regarding traffic signals has allowed local cities and counties to shorten yellow light intervals, resulting in millions of dollars in additional red light camera fines.

    The 10 News Investigators discovered the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) quietly changed the state's policy on yellow intervals in 2011, reducing the minimum below federal recommendations. The rule change was followed by engineers, both from FDOT and local municipalities, collaborating to shorten the length of yellow lights at key intersections, specifically those with red light cameras (RLCs).

    While yellow light times were reduced by mere fractions of a second, research indicates a half-second reduction in the interval can double the number of RLC citations -- and the revenue they create.
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