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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think in Illinois every intersection monitored has signs that warn drivers. There's little excuse.
    WE have these in Oregon:


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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Btw, I think they should put cameras on every handicapped space as well.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million Last Year | CNS News

    more from the ig:

    there is "little evidence that the overarching program strategy, guidelines, or appropriate metrics are being used to ensure the RLC program is being executed to the best benefit of the city or the general public”

    there is a “lack of basic record keeping for a program that costs tens of millions of dollars a year and generates tens of millions more in revenue"

    those ticketed are charged $100 each
    Chicago government acting to take in money rather than govern well? I'm shocked.
    At least those guys don't run the IRS. Oh! Wait! Uh oh . . . .
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Chicago government acting to take in money rather than govern well? I'm shocked.
    At least those guys don't run the IRS. Oh! Wait! Uh oh . . . .
    In this particular instance I'm not seeing where they are not governing well in addition to levying fines. At the heart of it that's a lot of folks blowing red lights.

    If the recordkeeping isn't up to snuff, dedicate some of the profit to fixing that.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think in Illinois every intersection monitored has signs that warn drivers. There's little excuse.
    The law requires it, its not a stealth system like other states have.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Just one more reason on the long list of reasons Rahm Emanuel is a horrible mayor who needs to go. Not only do his crappy plans not work, he then lies about them working. He should have stayed at the White House as Chief of Staff. He's better suited for implementing other people's plans, then doing anything on his own.
    Those red light cameras had been installed long before Rahm Emanuel became Mayor, Red Flex has been in the city quite a while, I personally met with their technical people as far back as 2007.

    Best thing to do is know the law and learn how to drive and there shouldn't be a problem.

    On a side note, I can't wait for those automated speed cameras to be rolled out, see you in court !

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    I've twice almost lost my life to red light runners and as far as I'm concerned they should tie this in with the drone system, hunt the offender down and at minimum, disable the vehicle.

    Most LE is against speeders who pose relatively little threat. But running an already red light is homicidal.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
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    Those red light cameras had been installed long before Rahm Emanuel became Mayor, Red Flex has been in the city quite a while, I personally met with their technical people as far back as 2007.
    I'm talking about Rahm's plan that was approved in 2012, not the very start of red light cameras in Chicago. It was bull**** then as it was now.

    Best thing to do is know the law and learn how to drive and there shouldn't be a problem.

    On a side note, I can't wait for those automated speed cameras to be rolled out, see you in court !
    Your advice isn't necessary as worrying about being caught isn't any part of my criticism.

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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm talking about Rahm's plan that was approved in 2012, not the very start of red light cameras in Chicago. It was bull**** then as it was now.

    Your advice isn't necessary as worrying about being caught isn't any part of my criticism.
    Nope. Those are speed sensors to retro on the red-light cameras. RL Cameras were launched in 2003 under Daley.

    Edit: The program was tried at four intersections...no tickets were issued...the trial was suspended with no news on its future.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sounds like the same logic people used when wearing seat belts became law.

    Slamming on one's breaks should never cause an accident from the rear. If one doesn't recognize "a stale green light" as they're approaching it? They need more driver's training.
    If by "logic" you mean "measured."

    Safety Evaluation of Red-Light Cameras–Executive Summary - FHWA-HRT-05-049

    Right-angle crashes decrease, but rear-end crashes increase.

    Seems to be overall a reduction in crash costs, at least.
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    Re: No Evidence Chicago Red Light Cameras Based on Safety -- System Made $71 Million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If by "logic" you mean "measured."

    Safety Evaluation of Red-Light Cameras–Executive Summary - FHWA-HRT-05-049

    Right-angle crashes decrease, but rear-end crashes increase.

    Seems to be overall a reduction in crash costs, at least.
    Well, I won't doubt your statistics. But I'd say that a rear-ender is better than a T-bone. And people will learn. Don't follow so damned close and watch for stale greens. It's really not that hard if people are paying attention.
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