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    Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. Prosecutors say a Tennessee pharmacy owner killed during a robbery had handed over several bottles of oxycodone before he was shot to death.
    Grainger County District Attorney General Jimmy Dunn made the comments Friday, one day after the owner of Down Home Pharmacy in Bean Station, a town in East Tennessee, was killed during the robbery. Police say a customer was also killed and two people were wounded.
    A former Bean Station police officer, Jason Bryan Holt, has been charged with two counts of premeditated first-degree murder, two counts of attempted first degree murder, two counts of felony murder and one count of especially aggravated robbery.


    Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says | Fox News

    This really hits me hard. In all pharmacies I've worked for it was against company policy to bring a weapon to work for the purpose of self defense. There were no security guards and in the event of a robbery we were instructed to give robbers whatever they want and avoid all eye contact and hope that the robber chooses not to kill anyone and that compliance would most likely result in them leaving with stolen medications and no human lives being harmed.

    The pharmacist and technicians were murdered execution style. They gave into his demands and were told to kneel down facing against the wall and were then shot and killed. Personally, had the pharmacist owned a gun or the staff had their own they could have defended themselves instead of being murdered unarmed execution style. This is a very very sad tragedy.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

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    This really hits me hard. In all pharmacies I've worked for it was against company policy to bring a weapon to work for the purpose of self defense. There were no security guards and in the event of a robbery we were instructed to give robbers whatever they want and avoid all eye contact and hope that the robber chooses not to kill anyone and that compliance would most likely result in them leaving with stolen medications and no human lives being harmed.

    The pharmacist and technicians were murdered execution style. They gave into his demands and were told to kneel down facing against the wall and were then shot and killed. Personally, had the pharmacist owned a gun or the staff had their own they could have defended themselves instead of being murdered unarmed execution style. This is a very very sad tragedy.
    I don't know what standard practice is in America, but here in Toronto I know that pharmacies have signs out front that indicate they do not keep certain drugs, like oxycodone, on the premises and you have to bring in your prescription and the drugs will be either delivered to your home or they will be delivered to the pharmacy later and you'll have to go back and pick them up. Having such drugs on the premises is like advertising you have crack or heroin or whatever and inviting a robbery and like in this case, worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't know what standard practice is in America, but here in Toronto I know that pharmacies have signs out front that indicate they do not keep certain drugs, like oxycodone, on the premises and you have to bring in your prescription and the drugs will be either delivered to your home or they will be delivered to the pharmacy later and you'll have to go back and pick them up. Having such drugs on the premises is like advertising you have crack or heroin or whatever and inviting a robbery and like in this case, worse.
    Here we don't advertise what prescription drugs we carry. Most pharmacies do stock Oxycodone and others but a pharmacist can exercise professional judgement in most cases and refuse a fill. We have a terrible prescription drug addiction/abuse problem. Steps are being taken to combat this, but it is still a big problem The DEA largely controls the dispensing of narcotics and scheduled medications.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    The killer was a former cop (seriously )

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    This story is more in depth (local news) Victims in East Tennessee pharmacy shooting were shot execution style | wbir.com

    He was convicted of burglary in 2006 stealing drugs from the police station. He was charged with domestic violence in 2009 but it was dismissed.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

    Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says | Fox News This really hits me hard. In all pharmacies I've worked for it was against company policy to bring a weapon to work for the purpose of self defense. There were no security guards and in the event of a robbery we were instructed to give robbers whatever they want and avoid all eye contact and hope that the robber chooses not to kill anyone and that compliance would most likely result in them leaving with stolen medications and no human lives being harmed. The pharmacist and technicians were murdered execution style. They gave into his demands and were told to kneel down facing against the wall and were then shot and killed. Personally, had the pharmacist owned a gun or the staff had their own they could have defended themselves instead of being murdered unarmed execution style. This is a very very sad tragedy.
    It is a common fallacy to think because you are armed you will not be killed if serious bad guys come to rob you. It isn't a one way range and the bad guys get a say. Unless the workers have a very clear indicator the bad guys were in fact bad guys and had time enough to present, or most likely go to where their weapons were kept they play catch-up and have ZERO assurance they can deliver an assault stopping SERIES of rounds per bad guy.

    Lots of trained people, soldiers, cops, guards get catch flat footed all the time. busy workers with their heads down filling 'scripts may not look up/carefully enough in time.

    These men came with intent to commit MURDER, that stacks the deck from druggie thief to cold blooded murderers. Given the national average is 3% CCW and even the highest level of CCW towns hover around 13% it is a bit much to think ALL the workers would be armed.

    Now DO NOT try and twist what I say to mean I side with the bad guys or am with the 'gun' grabbers, how some ever the BEST scenario of an armed confrontation with these robbers would have been casualties on both sides, and worst case- the motion to bring the pistol out from under the long coat would have set off a massacre of the workers with just MAYBE fewer drugs stolen.

    How ever you look at the Big Pharma drug addiction we have in this country one part will be those in the dispensing business are in the most danger compared to those up the food chain.

    My condolences to the families.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

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    This really hits me hard. In all pharmacies I've worked for it was against company policy to bring a weapon to work for the purpose of self defense. There were no security guards and in the event of a robbery we were instructed to give robbers whatever they want and avoid all eye contact and hope that the robber chooses not to kill anyone and that compliance would most likely result in them leaving with stolen medications and no human lives being harmed.

    The pharmacist and technicians were murdered execution style. They gave into his demands and were told to kneel down facing against the wall and were then shot and killed. Personally, had the pharmacist owned a gun or the staff had their own they could have defended themselves instead of being murdered unarmed execution style. This is a very very sad tragedy.
    It is sad. Criminals figure out that "no witnesses" is safer. So witnesses are executed. If even one person in that store had had a gun, this story might have had a very different ending. At the very least? They would have gone down fighting instead of like dogs tethered to trees.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright;1061852276[B
    ]It is a common fallacy to think because you are armed you will not be killed[/B] if serious bad guys come to rob you. It isn't a one way range and the bad guys get a say. Unless the workers have a very clear indicator the bad guys were in fact bad guys and had time enough to present, or most likely go to where their weapons were kept they play catch-up and have ZERO assurance they can deliver an assault stopping SERIES of rounds per bad guy.

    Lots of trained people, soldiers, cops, guards get catch flat footed all the time. busy workers with their heads down filling 'scripts may not look up/carefully enough in time.

    These men came with intent to commit MURDER, that stacks the deck from druggie thief to cold blooded murderers. Given the national average is 3% CCW and even the highest level of CCW towns hover around 13% it is a bit much to think ALL the workers would be armed.

    Now DO NOT try and twist what I say to mean I side with the bad guys or am with the 'gun' grabbers, how some ever the BEST scenario of an armed confrontation with these robbers would have been casualties on both sides, and worst case- the motion to bring the pistol out from under the long coat would have set off a massacre of the workers with just MAYBE fewer drugs stolen.

    How ever you look at the Big Pharma drug addiction we have in this country one part will be those in the dispensing business are in the most danger compared to those up the food chain.

    My condolences to the families.
    What fallacy is that? What armed person has ever considered themselves invincible?
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is a common fallacy to think because you are armed you will not be killed if serious bad guys come to rob you. It isn't a one way range and the bad guys get a say. Unless the workers have a very clear indicator the bad guys were in fact bad guys and had time enough to present, or most likely go to where their weapons were kept they play catch-up and have ZERO assurance they can deliver an assault stopping SERIES of rounds per bad guy.

    Lots of trained people, soldiers, cops, guards get catch flat footed all the time. busy workers with their heads down filling 'scripts may not look up/carefully enough in time.

    These men came with intent to commit MURDER, that stacks the deck from druggie thief to cold blooded murderers. Given the national average is 3% CCW and even the highest level of CCW towns hover around 13% it is a bit much to think ALL the workers would be armed.

    Now DO NOT try and twist what I say to mean I side with the bad guys or am with the 'gun' grabbers, how some ever the BEST scenario of an armed confrontation with these robbers would have been casualties on both sides, and worst case- the motion to bring the pistol out from under the long coat would have set off a massacre of the workers with just MAYBE fewer drugs stolen.

    How ever you look at the Big Pharma drug addiction we have in this country one part will be those in the dispensing business are in the most danger compared to those up the food chain.

    My condolences to the families.
    Just to be clear, your position is that it's better to put the lives of innocent people at great risk by prohibiting firearms and if a few innocent folks get killed then that's just the way it has to be to insure that only criminals can have firearms....is that about right?

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Just to be clear, your position is that it's better to put the lives of innocent people at great risk by prohibiting firearms and if a few innocent folks get killed then that's just the way it has to be to insure that only criminals can have firearms....is that about right?
    That's everyone's position that wants to prohibit license to carry and enforce gun-free zones.
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