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    Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    excellent point
    notice how those edicts drove drinking and drugging off of the streets and into the underground
    how it made arrests for public possession of illegal substances easy to enforce
    it will do the same thing with a hand gun prohibition

    what will be different however, unlike with drugs and booze, the majority seek to remove hand guns from the private sector
    thanks for the analogy and for making my argument
    Good lord, son...do you have even a basic understanding of history? Not only was the proliferation overt, it turned previously law biding citizens into criminals, law enforcement was completely inept at both prevention and enforcement and it demonstrated beyond question that criminals... The only group you should actually give a **** about, COMPLETELY ignored the laws and in fact thrived.

    Sometimes dood...I really wonder about you. I'd think you were playin POE...if it wasnt so obvious you actually believed it.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bubba, Japan never had that many guns to start with; we do.
    wrong
    hand gun and long arms usage was widespread across japan until the conclusion of WWII

    Furthermore Japanese culture is based on the subordination of the individual to the group, and compliance to society... ours isn't.
    while they are less individualistic than we, that does not make us a nation which refuses to obey the law

    Japan is largely a homogenous culture... our isn't.
    that has nothing to do with guns. we are a melting pot, they are homogenous. but surprise me and explain why this has a bearing on the control of hand guns

    I could go on and on with the differences, but the big one is a number: 300 million guns.
    not looking to prohibit all guns. just hand guns and those weapons which have a military/offensive, rather than defensive, purpose

    And one more number: 2, for the Second Amendment.
    yep. an amendment would be required prohibiting the possession of hand guns and weapons having a military/offensive purpose


    I thought you were more of a realist.
    didn't realize you were such a defeatist, refusing to attempt to pursue reasonable public policy
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Just to be clear, your position is that it's better to put the lives of innocent people at great risk by prohibiting firearms and if a few innocent folks get killed then that's just the way it has to be to insure that only criminals can have firearms....is that about right?
    Since you want to be clear:

    There is no prohibition on firearms in pharmacies
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good lord, son...do you have even a basic understanding of history? Not only was the proliferation overt, it turned previously law biding citizens into criminals, law enforcement was completely inept at both prevention and enforcement and it demonstrated beyond question that criminals... The only group you should actually give a **** about, COMPLETELY ignored the laws and in fact thrived.

    Sometimes dood...I really wonder about you. I'd think you were playin POE...if it wasnt so obvious you actually believed it.
    you refuse to acknowledge how prohibitions drove drugs and booze underground, thus making enforcement easier
    after the change, if found with a hand gun, go to jail
    not true today, allowing criminals such as the perps in the OP to freely carry with impunity ... and thus place their victims at a distinct disadvantage. why do you seek to enable such lawlessness?
    will some still manage to possess a hand gun to use in the commission of crimes? yes, certainly. will those who are found by LEOs to possess hand guns lose the weapons and their freedom? yes. and over time, we will rid our nation of most handguns
    sorry that reality is beyond you
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    wrong
    hand gun and long arms usage was widespread across japan until the conclusion of WWII


    while they are less individualistic than we, that does not make us a nation which refuses to obey the law


    that has nothing to do with guns. we are a melting pot, they are homogenous. but surprise me and explain why this has a bearing on the control of hand guns


    not looking to prohibit all guns. just hand guns and those weapons which have a military/offensive, rather than defensive, purpose


    yep. an amendment would be required prohibiting the possession of hand guns and weapons having a military/offensive purpose



    didn't realize you were such a defeatist, refusing to attempt to pursue reasonable public policy

    Ah Bubba....

    Japan didn't have the private firearms ownership rates we have today, period. Fact.

    Their culture is FAR more inclined toward cooperative behaviors than ours, enough to make a HUGE difference. I've studied the Japanese in more depth than most, and this is fact.

    If you're looking to prohibit guns with a military/offensive purpose, rather than a defensive one, you shouldn't be trying to prohibit handguns. They are the most commonly used defensive firearm.

    I would oppose such an Amendment. Indeed I'd consider it a breach of the fundamental substance of our society, just as if someone tried to repeal the First Amendment.

    I don't consider your policy proposal to be reasonable, nor a public good.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The Canadian model CanadaJohn referred to seems the most reasonable...any drugs with high street values should be in a time controlled safe, dispensed only after hours when the pharmacy is securely locked up, and held for pickup the next day or mailed.

    As for CCW, it might decrease the number of pharmacy robberies, but I suspect it would increase the number of killings. Desperate junkies will generally leave once they have what they want, but if they suspect they will meet armed resistance, the most desperate may just march in guns blazing, and perhaps leave one alive to show them where the oxy is located.

    Believe it or not I used to work with a guy who got arrested after a five hour standoff with cops when they tried to arrest him for bumping off pharmacies.

    Pharmacy Robber Charged With 6 Robberies, More Charges Expected - Acadiana's Multi-Media News Station

    ...and given the timeline, he had to have been actively engaged in his crime spree while I was working with him.
    Yes, while it is true that the presence of a firearm might have saved innocent lives in this case and in all cases overall, it's possible that the presence of firearms might lead to an increase in the deaths of innocents
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    we know the likelyhood of them surviving without a concealed weapon, 0% chance of survival. Now why is it so wrong to let people defend themselves.
    Nonsense. Most robberies do not end with people getting shot
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    we know the likelyhood of them surviving without a concealed weapon, 0% chance of survival. Now why is it so wrong to let people defend themselves.
    yes, and the chance that the employee with the weapon is going to be able to defend himself against perps with drawn guns is what, .0001%
    hell of a reason


    The size of Japan compared to the U.S. Sorry, but that's comparing apples to oranges without any taking into consideration the fact it is a Constitutional Right here in the U.S.
    in terms of population, japan is half our size. why does that have an impact on the question of hand gun control?
    yes, an amendment would be required to restrict hand guns. so, let's do it. solve the gun problem
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    Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you refuse to acknowledge how prohibitions drove drugs and booze underground, thus making enforcement easier
    after the change, if found with a hand gun, go to jail
    not true today, allowing criminals such as the perps in the OP to freely carry with impunity ... and thus place their victims at a distinct disadvantage. why do you seek to enable such lawlessness?
    will some still manage to possess a hand gun to use in the commission of crimes? yes, certainly. will those who are found by LEOs to possess hand guns lose the weapons and their freedom? yes. and over time, we will rid our nation of most handguns
    sorry that reality is beyond you
    Geeez us dood. Your thought processes are laughable. You actually believe it is a good idea to disarm the law abiding population and 'ban' guns knowing beyond a shadow of doubt that bans have never worked in his country and you promote your ideas citing examples CLEARLY showing how easily criminals do and always have managed to get those illegal and banned products. You are precious Bubba...a walking talking living breathing billboard for why people like you should NEVER be taken seriously over ANYTHING.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you want to be clear:

    There is no prohibition on firearms in pharmacies
    Actually quite a few pharmacies have prohibitions on their employees carrying firearms.

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