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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Digs...I understand policy...but if it was me, Id go to work with some form of firearm (or tear gas if someone is opposed to firearms) in a shoulder holster type rig every day of the week, especially in that field. Some good basic rules the FBI teaches...if you are ever in a hostage situation, have seen the perpetrators face, and he tells you to turn around, kneel down, or go into a back room, you had best be making plans for some sort of gambit because odds are high ****s about to get really really real.
    Real odds are most thieves do not shoot because they do not want to be murderers. Also, anyone who has worked management in a place with employees knows a gun doesn't prevent many thefts because it is the employees or shoplifters, and not armed robbery. Part of the reason a gun doesn't help in those situations is because either the person who is there to protect the store is the one doing the stealing and is not going to shoot themselves, or the store owners don't find out until way after the fact which makes alternative security much better.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

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    Real odds are most thieves do not shoot because they do not want to be murderers. Also, anyone who has worked management in a place with employees knows a gun doesn't prevent many thefts because it is the employees or shoplifters, and not armed robbery. Part of the reason a gun doesn't help in those situations is because either the person who is there to protect the store is the one doing the stealing and is not going to shoot themselves, or the store owners don't find out until way after the fact which makes alternative security much better.
    Odds are MOST dont. Odds are...once certain conditions are met it is probable bad **** is about to happen. There are rules police and federal law enforcement personnel follow...thats one of them. However...when it comes to firearms issues...I dont expect you to have ANY objectivity. So...we'll just leave it at that.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the perps had the employees under the gun
    what is the likelihood having a concealed weapon would have changed the outcome of that incident
    we know the likelyhood of them surviving without a concealed weapon, 0% chance of survival. Now why is it so wrong to let people defend themselves.

    and if you will look at japan's experience, you will see that it was able to eliminate most hand guns in short order. that tends to discredit the notion that we cannot do the same in the USA
    The size of Japan compared to the U.S. Sorry, but that's comparing apples to oranges without any taking into consideration the fact it is a Constitutional Right here in the U.S.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Odds are MOST dont. Odds are...once certain conditions are met it is probable bad **** is about to happen. There are rules police and federal law enforcement personnel follow...thats one of them. However...when it comes to firearms issues...I dont expect you to have ANY objectivity. So...we'll just leave it at that.
    So that means odds are that purchasing a gun for security is your last option. Odds are that you have no objectivity or logic behind your gun arguments being one of the people who cannot really grasp that odds are in the moment you need to use your gun you will not draw, and even if you do you will miss. Even with Practice we all know that in real combat situations trained people miss because of lack of experience in real combat situations. So unless you are hiring soldiers with combat experience, or cops with experience to be your pharmacist none of this even matters. Even then your parhmacy can still be ripped off because as we can see those people are not above stealing oxy.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So that means odds are that purchasing a gun for security is your last option. Odds are that you have no objectivity or logic behind your gun arguments being one of the people who cannot really grasp that odds are in the moment you need to use your gun you will not draw, and even if you do you will miss. Even with Practice we all know that in real combat situations trained people miss because of lack of experience in real combat situations. So unless you are hiring soldiers with combat experience, or cops with experience to be your pharmacist none of this even matters. Even then your parhmacy can still be ripped off because as we can see those people are not above stealing oxy.
    No...that means if you are in a dangerous job you should play out scenarios, you should train as to risk and potential results, and you should take as much personal responsibility for your safety and those around you as do law enforcement officers. Or...you should operate under the notion that if something bad is about to happen to you you should take it and you probably deserve it anyway.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the perps had the employees under the gun
    what is the likelihood having a concealed weapon would have changed the outcome of that incident

    and if you will look at japan's experience, you will see that it was able to eliminate most hand guns in short order. that tends to discredit the notion that we cannot do the same in the USA
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    allowing people to defend themselves with a firearm is reasonable and doable... getting all handguns off the street is the stuff of fantasies.


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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the perps had the employees under the gun
    what is the likelihood having a concealed weapon would have changed the outcome of that incident

    and if you will look at japan's experience, you will see that it was able to eliminate most hand guns in short order. that tends to discredit the notion that we cannot do the same in the USA


    Bubba, Japan never had that many guns to start with; we do. Furthermore Japanese culture is based on the subordination of the individual to the group, and compliance to society... ours isn't. Japan is largely a homogenous culture... our isn't.

    I could go on and on with the differences, but the big one is a number: 300 million guns. And one more number: 2, for the Second Amendment.


    I thought you were more of a realist.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the perps had the employees under the gun
    what is the likelihood having a concealed weapon would have changed the outcome of that incident

    and if you will look at japan's experience, you will see that it was able to eliminate most hand guns in short order. that tends to discredit the notion that we cannot do the same in the USA
    I know right? I mean just look at how effective prohibition was. And drug bans!

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I know right? I mean just look at how effective prohibition was. And drug bans!
    excellent point
    notice how those edicts drove drinking and drugging off of the streets and into the underground
    how it made arrests for public possession of illegal substances easy to enforce
    it will do the same thing with a hand gun prohibition

    what will be different however, unlike with drugs and booze, the majority seek to remove hand guns from the private sector
    thanks for the analogy and for making my argument
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