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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I believe there are anti-trust lawsuits if they act impartially or refuse to accredit new programs. They can't set a cap, if a school wants to start a PharmD program they can, there is nothing legally stopping them so long as they meet academic standards (which are going up as I was told in school).

    There was a big pharmacist shortage in the early 2000's. Salaries skyrocketed. Schools saw prospect and opened new programs. In 2008 things slowed with the economy. Many of the newer schools have only graduated 1-2 classes or have yet to graduate a class. The biggest limiting step for training physicians is the residency positions which appear to be capped due to funding, there is a physician shortage largely due to residency training post-med school not expanding as needed. There are some DO schools that have been popping up though.

    Just curious, but do you work in pharmacy? You do seem knowledgeable about the profession and regulating bodies. There are some private schools that have opened up that are taking in under-par students. I do not attend one of those schools, but there do exist a few that accept students with a near 3.0 GPA and a 60 average on the PCAT. I have known several students that didn't get accepted into any programs after 2 application cycles. Schools still have far more applicants than they do seats and it's not guaranteed that people will get in. I believe my school still had about a 16% chance for acceptance when it came to applicants vs. those accepted.
    I'm sorry but i really don't believe the crap about them getting sued if they dont accredit new schools. I think all the money they are making accrediting new schools is playing a huge role in it. I know a lot about this because there was a point were i wanted to be a pharmacist. I even worked as a tech for a while. Now i am a chemist and am glad that i didnt go to pharmacy. All of the pharmacists that i worked with discouraged me from going to pharm school. On top of that they hated their jobs. A lot of students went in to pharmacy thinking it was a quick and easy way to make money. Pharmacy is only 2 years of undergrad + 4 years of pharm school unlike medicine with is 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school and 2 years of residency. As a result now we have a surplus of new grad that are willing to work for anything just to start paying off their massive students loans. This is exactly what big chains like walmart and walgreens want. They want the cost of pharmcists to go down and a huge supply of pharmacists takes care of that. I guess it also helps the consumer with lower drug costs. Unless you really want to be a pharmacist, it is a bad field to get in to.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I'm sorry but i really don't believe the crap about them getting sued if they dont accredit new schools. I think all the money they are making accrediting new schools is playing a huge role in it. I know a lot about this because there was a point were i wanted to be a pharmacist. I even worked as a tech for a while. Now i am a chemist and am glad that i didnt go to pharmacy. All of the pharmacists that i worked with discouraged me from going to pharm school. On top of that they hated their jobs. A lot of students went in to pharmacy thinking it was a quick and easy way to make money. Pharmacy is only 2 years of undergrad + 4 years of pharm school unlike medicine with is 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of med school and 2 years of residency. As a result now we have a surplus of new grad that are willing to work for anything just to start paying off their massive students loans. This is exactly what big chains like walmart and walgreens want. They want the cost of pharmcists to go down and a huge supply of pharmacists takes care of that. I guess it also helps the consumer with lower drug costs. Unless you really want to be a pharmacist, it is a bad field to get in to.
    Things are changing. 2+4 is just the lowest figure. There are only 3 students in my class that only did 2 years of undergrad with over 50% of us having BS degrees. Really the only 2 + 4 programs are the 0-6 schools and they are limited, some are moving to 0-7 instead of 6. There is an increasing clinical role for pharmacists about and about 15-25% of all new grads go on to do a post PharmD residency, some go for 2 years. As far as professional schooling goes it still remains at 3 years didactic and 1 year rotating with shorter rotations going on during the 3 years didactic as well. Pharmacy school is generally cheaper than med school, we don't have the crushing malpractice costs and at the end of the day net about as much as a primary care physician.We make make about $115k-140k per year in retail, but malpractice is only about 2k per year, a PCP pays anywhere from 10-40k per year depending on their area and services they provide. They may make about 160-200k per year, but after taxes and malpractice the difference in pay isn't too drastic. Then again nothing in pharmacy (aside from owning your own store or being high up in management/hospital) will net what the specialists that get 300-500k+ per year make.

    As far as clinical work and expanding scope of practice this is an exciting time for pharmacists. MTM services are expanding, clinical pharmacy is expanding, and as the PCP physician shortage gets worse there is going to be more and more managed care done by pharmacists. The biggest limiting step behind this is insurance billing issues, but there is a strong initiative to change this and more areas are reimbursing for MTM and clinical services now and this is only expected to increase. APHA has done a good job with pushing for Medicare reform to see this done nationally and the Surgeon General has approved a report calling for an expanding role of pharmacists in various healthcare settings. In nearly all states pharmacists can immunize and enter into CPA's like an NP or PA can. It's very commonplace in federal institutions like the VA and IHS. More residency opportunities are opening up, more pharmacists are doing residencies, and more clinical jobs are popping up with insurance billing reform expected to happen within 5 years (if not sooner). As these jobs open up there will be more pharmacists going into the clinical field over the community field which will increase demand. Many say the increased coverage of the ACA will also help boost things especially considering that as time goes on the amount of prescription drugs being taken is increasing along with an aging population and more chronic conditions being prevalent in America (largely due to the obesity problem). The market fluctuates, with the recession and uncertainty in healthcare things took a dip for a while but it's expected to pop back. I'll agree though that the chains want to pay less and have more of a hiring pool, but salaries have held stable throughout the market dip and unemployment for pharmacists is still well below the national average (below 2% I believe, figures from 2011 say 1.2%). Although my goal is to be a pharmacist, I love pharmacology, physiology, and helping patients. If for some reason pharmacy doesn't work out I'll go into research or go back and get an MD/DO or become a PA. The BLS still predicts a 25% increase in pharmacist jobs between 2010-2020 at a faster than average pace.
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