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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

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    Whatever you say Sangha

    do you support disarming people who are in high risk professions?
    I say that your posts are dishonest. That is why you won't back your claims up with evidence...because you don't have any evidence....because you made it up.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I say that your posts are dishonest. That is why you won't back your claims up with evidence...because you don't have any evidence....because you made it up.
    the dishonesty is insinuating something and then arguing as you do

    Have you answered the question?



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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the dishonesty is insinuating something and then arguing as you do

    Have you answered the question?
    Your claim of insinuation is another lie and I'm sure that you'll never back that one up with a quote of mine either.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I say that your posts are dishonest. That is why you won't back your claims up with evidence...because you don't have any evidence....because you made it up.
    You're the one being dishonest here. You purposely dodge ever making a point, so you can just attack people for their arguments without exposing yourself or establishing your point of view. If you disagree with him about high risk professions being armed, why don't you come out and state why and what would be a better alternative for avoiding situations like this, rather then just attempting to ridicule him for making his point.

    At least he has a point to be made, you on the other hand do not.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

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    My wife and I have discussed over and over - and in practical terms - that we go down fighting if it comes to it. When far offshore, there is a remote but real prospect the "bad guys" will come along. We have a no-surrender policy even if outgunned and outnumbered, caught by surprise. We even have discussed the horror senario of our children along. Still, we go down fighting, all of us, regardless of hostages taken in this or not. We see it as the best chance of any of us surviving and if death is inevitable we'd rather it be fight-fast rather than torturously slow. I've seen torturously slow (won't elaborate). ANY sane person would do ANYTHING to avoid that, even if the odds were less in your favor fighting, but assuring you don't meet that manner of death.

    Unfortunately, people don't have ESP to form a collective attack. Thus one person - even sometimes with just a knife - can get many people to surrender, to being hogtied so to speak, than then systematically assaulted, abused, tortured and killed - where in a rush most if not all would survive.

    I can not count the HUNDREDS probably times I've talked by daughter thru how she should take being shot, stabbed, anything rather than being kidnapped. If the person will kill her there, he's going to do it out there all alone - maybe slowly and horribly and with no chance of help ever coming.

    If a person held a gun to me to rob me, he gets whatever he wants UNTIL he wants me constrained physically or taken somewhere. Then, even if a million to 1 odds, it's time to fight. Win or lose. But never become physically helpless.
    My thought exactly. I will help the robber load up his car with my furnishings and jewelry. If he wants to tie me up? He'll tie up my dead body.

    That's the BEST lesson to teach your kids. Never-ever-EVER go anywhere with someone in that situation. Fight your last stand right then right there. No matter WHAT happens? It will be better than what awaits you ten or twenty miles into the night. It's something everyone should remember.

    Richard Franklin Speck (December 6, 1941 December 5, 1991) was a mass murderer who systematically tortured, raped, and murdered eight student nurses from South Chicago Community Hospital on July 14, 1966.
    He broke into their dorm room and tied them up, taking them one by one into another room to torture and kill them. One woman survived. He lost count, and she'd hidden under the bed.

    Illinois state legislature, Kurtis pointed out the explicit scenes of sex, drug use, and money being passed around by prisoners, who seemingly had no fear of being caught; in the center of it all was Speck, performing oral sex on another inmate, sharing a huge pile of cocaine with an inmate, parading in silk panties, sporting female-like breasts (allegedly grown using smuggled hormone treatments), and boasting, "If they only knew how much fun I was having, they'd turn me loose." The Illinois legislature packed the auditorium to view the two-hour video, but stopped the screening when the film showed Speck performing oral sex on another man.

    From behind the camera, a prisoner asked Speck why he killed the nurses. Speck shrugged and jokingly said, "It just wasn't their night." Asked how he felt about himself in the years since, he said, "Like I always felt ... had no feeling. If you're asking me if I felt sorry, no." He also described in detail the experience of strangling someone: "It's not like TV ... it takes over three minutes and you have to have a lot of strength." John Schmale, the brother of one of the murdered student nurses, said, "It was a very painful experience watching him tell about how he killed my sister."

    Portions of the tapes were later broadcast on the A&E Network's Investigative Reports. The same airing of Investigative Reports included interviews with people who believed Speck was not taking hormones, wearing panties, etc. voluntarily, and he'd instead been forced to by other inmates this may have been his way of surviving his time in prison.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

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    which is why I spend a lot of my time teaching angels how to shoot to save the innocents



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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    There was a massive shortage in the early 2000's and some schools started up new pharmacy programs. Then in 2008 the market went downhill a bit. There aren't really any 50k sign on bonuses or free cars anymore but it's still a good paying field and salaries have held. For certain areas there are some saturation issues, but community pharmacies and healthcare in general was hit by the recession and is awaiting the impact of the ACA. In my area there is big growth for clinical pharmacy jobs (which I want to do) and the salaries are still pretty high.
    Its saturated everywhere. At least all the good markets like Chicago, ny and LA. If you want a job in retail, you will have to go to a place where no one wants to live. There are a lot of pharmacists crying right now. What is going on in the pharmacy right now has nothing to do with the economy and it has everything to do with a surplus of new grads. I remember when i was in high school there were two schools in illinois. Now there are six. The ACPE is a corrupt body that will accredit any school just to get money. There are schools that have no business opening pharmacy schools that have been accredited. Get out if you still can.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Its saturated everywhere. If you want a job in retail, you will have to go to a place where no one wants to live. There are a lot of pharmacists crying right now. What is going on in the pharmacy right now has nothing to do with the economy and it has everything to do with a surplus of new grads. I remember when i was in high school there were two schools in illinois. Now there are six. The ACPE is a corrupt body that will accredit any school just to get money. There are schools that have no business opening pharmacy schools that have been accredited. Get out if you still can.

    Good video to watch if you would like.

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    Up until 2008 things were very very good, then things dropped with the recession and there is uncertainty with how the ACA will affect things right now. I know of recent friends who graduated and found great jobs, others got residencies and really the only few people (like 2-3) that don't have jobs from the recent class are those who have waited to take their board exams.

    ACPE is getting stricter with criteria, but they have to accredit schools that meet criteria. They don't get to set a cap on new schools. Many areas in healthcare are suffering or uncertain right now. Physician reimbursement has gone down, nurses are losing jobs and hospitals are laying people off. Salaries have stayed where they are through the recession.

    The market isn't super great right now (as it is with many fields), but it isn't horrid. If things are bad though I'll probably work per diem and go to med school or PA school if I don't feel like going for 4 more years.

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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Up until 2008 things were very very good, then things dropped with the recession and there is uncertainty with how the ACA will affect things right now. I know of recent friends who graduated and found great jobs, others got residencies and really the only few people (like 2-3) that don't have jobs from the recent class are those who have waited to take their board exams.

    ACPE is getting stricter with criteria, but they have to accredit schools that meet criteria. They don't get to set a cap on new schools. Many areas in healthcare are suffering or uncertain right now. Physician reimbursement has gone down, nurses are losing jobs and hospitals are laying people off. Salaries have stayed where they are through the recession.

    The market isn't super great right now (as it is with many fields), but it isn't horrid. If things are bad though I'll probably work per diem and go to med school or PA school if I don't feel like going for 4 more years.
    I seriously doubt the ACPE is powerless to do anything about new schools. They are just a corrupt organization that has corporate interests (walgreens, cvs). If they were a better organization like the AAMC which limits the number of doctors, they would have more credibility. Instead they choose to diminish the pharmacy profession. Pharmacy has become like law. Anybody can become a pharmacist now. I know kids with 40s on their pcats that have been accepted.
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    Re: Victims shot after drugs handed over at Tennessee pharmacy, DA says

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I seriously doubt the ACPE is powerless to do anything about new schools. They are just a corrupt organization that has corporate interests (walgreens, cvs). If they were a better organization like the AAMC which limits the number of doctors, they would have more credibility. Instead they choose to diminish the pharmacy profession. Pharmacy has become like law. Anybody can become a pharmacist now. I know kids with 40s on their pcats that have been accepted.
    I believe there are anti-trust lawsuits if they act impartially or refuse to accredit new programs. They can't set a cap, if a school wants to start a PharmD program they can, there is nothing legally stopping them so long as they meet academic standards (which are going up as I was told in school).

    There was a big pharmacist shortage in the early 2000's. Salaries skyrocketed. Schools saw prospect and opened new programs. In 2008 things slowed with the economy. Many of the newer schools have only graduated 1-2 classes or have yet to graduate a class. The biggest limiting step for training physicians is the residency positions which appear to be capped due to funding, there is a physician shortage largely due to residency training post-med school not expanding as needed. There are some DO schools that have been popping up though.

    Just curious, but do you work in pharmacy? You do seem knowledgeable about the profession and regulating bodies. There are some private schools that have opened up that are taking in under-par students. I do not attend one of those schools, but there do exist a few that accept students with a near 3.0 GPA and a 60 average on the PCAT. I have known several students that didn't get accepted into any programs after 2 application cycles. Schools still have far more applicants than they do seats and it's not guaranteed that people will get in. I believe my school still had about a 16% chance for acceptance when it came to applicants vs. those accepted.

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