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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Our Federal and State governments are so focused on war or cutting back public services that we are now seeing the results.

    Are we prepared to have more bridges collapse in the coming decade in exchange for bloated Federal projects, corporate handouts, and endless wars?
    While I agree 100% on handouts, wars etc., the I-5 Skagit bridge (which I have crossed at least 50 times) would not be on any high priorities list if a gadzillion dollars "for WA infrastructure" would drop from the sky yesterday. The bridge was not in bad shape, not deteriorating, not marked for renovation by anyone. It was simply designed and built in such way that it was always vulnerable to freak accidents like an oversized, fully loaded semi hitting the trusses.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    I feel like adding a bit of local perspective (as I doubt the national news delved beyond the surface). The current story is that the truck would have been able to cross the bridge if it was in the middle of the of the two lanes (note that only the first span of the bridge collapsed the rest were intact). It has currently been alleged (by an eye witness) that another semi-truck failed to yield to the over-sized load, causing that truck to move to the right where a portion of the load contacted the frame. Also, the bridge was functionally obsolete because it was not capable of taking a direct hit to a load bearing girder. Modern bridges don't have that issue.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    While I agree 100% on handouts, wars etc., the I-5 Skagit bridge (which I have crossed at least 50 times) would not be on any high priorities list if a gadzillion dollars "for WA infrastructure" would drop from the sky yesterday. The bridge was not in bad shape, not deteriorating, not marked for renovation by anyone. It was simply designed and built in such way that it was always vulnerable to freak accidents like an oversized, fully loaded semi hitting the trusses.
    And vulnerable to seismic activity. It's a trestle bridge and each span is separate, sitting on it's own bearings. When the truck hit the end of the span it pushed it so the bearing slid or rolled or whatever the design was enough to make the span fall off the pier. Enough of a shake- and it wouldn't take much of the right kind of shake- would produce the same effect. I've worked on seismic upgrades of bridges of that design where holes were drilled through the pier cap and cables run through to tie the spans together so the bearings can still allow expansion and contraction but they can't fall off the piers.
    I'm no engineer, just a dirty ole Ironworker, but I bet that's the situation.
    And I'm not trying to excuse the truck driver, just saying it was an antiquated design if I'm guessing right.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    What gets me is this.

    Why didn't he go around the bridge?

    There was another crossing nearby, and I'll bet he was suppose to use it.



    Or the reverse of my arrow.

    Was he traveling north or south? I forget.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What gets me is this.

    Why didn't he go around the bridge?
    Because his direct rout was approved by the city when they issued his permit.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Because his direct rout was approved by the city when they issued his permit.
    I didn't see that anywhere.

    Earlier, someone said the truck had a permit for that load. That's as much as I've seen.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    OK, I found this in a search:

    Mike Allende, a state DOT spokesman, confirmed the truck had its permit.

    "We're still trying to figure out why it hit the bridge," he said. "It's ultimately up to the trucking company to figure out whether it can get through. It's their responsibility to make sure the load they have can travel on that route."
    link: Truck firm says it had permit to cross bridge that collapsed into Skagit River

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Anytime you're operating a truck and you ram into a stationary object it's 100% your fault.
    Should that cause a bridge to collapse?

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Should that cause a bridge to collapse?
    This one's design...

    Yes!

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I didn't see that anywhere.

    Earlier, someone said the truck had a permit for that load. That's as much as I've seen.
    I don't expect the media would have gon out of their way to point that detail out. That's how the kind of permit you would need for that kind of load works: WSDOT - Permit Types and Applications

    Once you have submitted your rout with your application and fees, and the State DOT office approved you and give you the permit, that's it. You cannot deviate from the rout you submitted without extenuating circumstances. You cannot just change your rout on the fly because you wana. The DOT has to approve it (not all roads are designed for heavy trucks, and your alternate rout goes through areas which would have had roads rated for light cars, not heavy hauls. Additionally, large trucks are banned from many commercial areas not only due to weight but risk of colliding with a passenger car while executing a turn ), which means more paperwork, fees and time.

    In many cases the driver and company have no choice, the DOT office will tell you what rout you have to take, and that's the only rout you are allowed to travel on. This is especially true for hazardous materials.

    I suspect no one thought there would be a problem if large loads crossed this bridge regularly. Only when another vehicle failed to yield the right of way and the load struck a load-bearing girder was there a problem.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-25-13 at 01:35 AM.

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