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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

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    Do WA permits have the disclaimer absolving the state from any responsibility for hits and wrecks?
    Actually yes, the permits absolve the state of pretty much everything their fault or not. They could issue a bad route and would be technically not liable. My opinion on this is there blame to go all around, but in the end the driver is the PIC, and therefore ultimately responsible. The bridge was ready to come down. That wasn't a major strike. Not even remotely. A major strike would have stopped the truck cold. From what I understand he was supposed to be in the left lane but was pinned in by traffic. There is a reason for pilot cars and traffic flow control is amongst them. The high pole car should have warned him as well. They are partially liable. In the end though its on the driver. He should have stopped cold if necessary. I have had to do that, that why I have beacons and pilot cars on the big loads besides statutory need. If necessary I would get the police to help out. From what I read, the situation is similar to an aircraft accident lots of small things adding up to a major incident.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

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    Now that is over the top of stupid. Close the road for Christ's sake.
    You would think that the big sign would be enough. The sign has flashing lights that come on when a vehicle is too tall to pass under the train trestle. So a big as sign that literally tells the driver that they are too tall and idiots still hit the dam thing.

    The guy that hit the bridge with his over sized load should have known his route prior to driving it and should have known that he would hit the bridge. It is clearly his fault period.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You would think that the big sign would be enough. The sign has flashing lights that come on when a vehicle is too tall to pass under the train trestle. So a big as sign that literally tells the driver that they are too tall and idiots still hit the dam thing.

    The guy that hit the bridge with his over sized load should have known his route prior to driving it and should have known that he would hit the bridge. It is clearly his fault period.
    What did his permits say as the route to take? What did the pilot car radio to him as to the heights of the structure he coming up on? What if he approached the bridge from a different street?

    I'm not saying that he wasn't at fault in any way, but there are lots of questions you are leaving out for your assumptions. Did he receive a ticket?
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You would think that the big sign would be enough. The sign has flashing lights that come on when a vehicle is too tall to pass under the train trestle. So a big as sign that literally tells the driver that they are too tall and idiots still hit the dam thing.

    The guy that hit the bridge with his over sized load should have known his route prior to driving it and should have known that he would hit the bridge. It is clearly his fault period.
    I understand all that and agree, but in reality as that video shows, people are not used to going under a bridge and it being to low to go under. To allow that many accidents to continue is ludicrous. Dig the road down or raise the damn bridge, but to do nothing is criminal. This bridge is a death trap and it is irresponsible to not fix it.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I understand all that and agree, but in reality as that video shows, people are not used to going under a bridge and it being to low to go under. To allow that many accidents to continue is ludicrous. Dig the road down or raise the damn bridge, but to do nothing is criminal. This bridge is a death trap and it is irresponsible to not fix it.
    And I agree that inadequate road ways should be fixed. A truck hitting a girder (over sized or not) should not end with a collapsed bridge. But there isnt anything wrong with roadways that dont allow heavy duty vehicle traffic. Every truck that hit the train trestle shows the incompetence of the driver. ANd it is the same type of incompetence that caused that bridge to collapse. So in lieu of spending millions of tax payers dollars perhaps enforcement of traffic laws could at the very least help. There isnt anything wrong with making people follow existing traffic laws that were designed to avoid such things. Driver should be responsible for their actions. We cant really make the equivalent of a corner less world for drivers.

    Of course the bridge that collapsed should have been retro fitted to prevent such a thing from happening. Just as the train trestle in that video was retro fitted with a beam to protect the bridge was. At the very least the I-5 bridge should have had signage indicating something.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What did his permits say as the route to take? What did the pilot car radio to him as to the heights of the structure he coming up on? What if he approached the bridge from a different street?

    I'm not saying that he wasn't at fault in any way, but there are lots of questions you are leaving out for your assumptions. Did he receive a ticket?
    It comes down to accountability. And no one seems to be stepping up to the plate. ANd the NTSB’s final investigation report isnt done yet. The state, the trucking company, the driver, the pilot vehicle operator all deny responsibility. Obviously they are all at fault it was their combined responsibility to do their jobs properly that failed to happen.

    According to the preliminary report the driver felt crowded by another semi-truck and moved to the right side of the bridge. Since the driver said that, the pilot vehicle is no longer responsible since the driver of the rig made a decision without her being involved. The report also points out that they knew the bridge had parts of the structure that if struck by a over sized load could lead to the collapse of the bridge. The State also was aware that semi trucks regularly hit bridges and pose a public safety hazard. Leading me to believe that it was a combination of driver error and the State of Washington's in ability to properly mark the roadway and maintain the bridge in a manner that isnt dangerous to users of said bridge.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    It comes down to accountability. And no one seems to be stepping up to the plate. ANd the NTSB’s final investigation report isnt done yet. The state, the trucking company, the driver, the pilot vehicle operator all deny responsibility. Obviously they are all at fault it was their combined responsibility to do their jobs properly that failed to happen.

    According to the preliminary report the driver felt crowded by another semi-truck and moved to the right side of the bridge. Since the driver said that the pilot vehicle is no longer responsible since the driver of the rig made a decision without here being involved. The report also points out that they knew the bridge had parts of the structure that if struck by a over sized load could lead to the collapse of the bridge. The State also was aware that semi trucks regularly hit bridges and pose a public safety hazard. Leading me to believe that it was a combination of driver error and the State of Washington's in ability to properly mark the roadway and maintain the bridge in a manner that isnt dangerous to users of said bridge.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Well, tin can rig tops may hit the railing often and they would disintegrate like in that video posted a few posts back. This load was of solid steel construction. If he hit that train bridge with that load, with a train overhead, he would have likely destroyed that bridge and derailed the train.

    In my view, the driver trusts the lead car, but in the end... It is the drivers fault and responsibility. Like pointed out, he was in the wrong lane. I will not alter from my point that this makes it solely his fault. It's not like he changed lanes to avoid a child running in the freeway...

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