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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    11Foot8.com is dedicated to one bridge that has a chronic problem with idiots hitting it. So many trucks hit this bridge that they constructed a beam that takes the impact instead of the bridge.

    OMG...

    That is great!

    I'm amazed I didn't see any cars rear ending a truck, bus, etc.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Not necessarily. First off, while the 80K weight limit is still in effect, that applies to vehicles in general. Just as you can get special permits for oversized loads so can there be permits for over weight loads. Given that this truck had an escort, then likely it had those permits. So the weight is not the driver's fault.

    The next question I have is the height of the load vs the clearance of he bridge. While I'm not applying this to the collapsed bridge, I've seen where the posted clearance is higher than the actual physical clearance. There is a video on youtube somewhere (I'll link if I find it) where trucks are hitting a bridge going under it because the posted clearance says they could make it. The poster notes that the sign is improper. In this specific case, given the location of the hit on the load and the images I can see of the bridge, I have to wonder if there was any settling on the overhead. If so then the driver cannot be at fault since he would have no way of knowing that the outside of the arches were lower than they should have been. He would not have been going across that bridge if he didn't have the clearance. Route planning is part of the permit process.



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    The posted clearance is always the lowest bottom surface of the bridge.

    If I remember right, the dude's permit restricted him to the left lane on the bridge and he was in the right lane.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Most trucks that strike bridges overhead..... the truck usually loses.

    In this instance, the overload permit was issued.

    The driver is ultimately 100% responsible for knowing the weight, width and height of the trailer or cargo he is hauling.

    The operator needs to know vehicle height and bridge height, respectively. no excuses.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Yep, I'm sure that girder being struck was more responsible than the outdated nature of the bridge itself...
    If you look at the structure of the bridge, it's only means of support is from above, the girders, except for the strategically placed concrete pilings below and concrete arches on the sides.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Again not necessarily. His record would still be impeccable if he were going through an intersection and another vehicle ran a red light to crash into him. Likewise here, if the bridge structure (having not read pages 2-27 of this thread) can be shown to have been altered, most likely due to age, then he is not at fault and thus his record remains intact.



    This is pretty frickin' simple-The man was driving the truck which hit the bridge, after he hit the bridge it collapsed.

    What more do I need to say? Obviously driving a vehicle into any structure is a violation of law.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    11Foot8.com is dedicated to one bridge that has a chronic problem with idiots hitting it. So many trucks hit this bridge that they constructed a beam that takes the impact instead of the bridge.

    Now that is over the top of stupid. Close the road for Christ's sake.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The posted clearance is always the lowest bottom surface of the bridge.

    If I remember right, the dude's permit restricted him to the left lane on the bridge and he was in the right lane.
    Were there other story links? Do you remember what they were or at least where in the thread they got posted? The links I've seen so far made no mention of permit violations

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This is pretty frickin' simple-The man was driving the truck which hit the bridge, after he hit the bridge it collapsed.

    What more do I need to say? Obviously driving a vehicle into any structure is a violation of law.
    You are not in violation of the law if the clearance sign is wrong and you would have cleared the structure had it been correct? For example If the sign says 13' clearance and you are 12'6" but the clearance is actually 12'5", you are not in violation of the law. Furthermore, if the structure was originally higher but has settled and the sign isn't updated again you are not in violation of the law.

    Now for this specific case I am not automatically giving the driver a pass. If there are more details as to why it was his fault, please point out the post numbers. Otherwise I am going off the OP link and noting why the driver may not be at fault. In other words, the linked article is scarce enough on details that it really could go either way.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Because his direct rout was approved by the city when they issued his permit.
    WA State routes are issued by the state. Permits issued by the city are for routing on city streets. I-5 is state route. Permit and route were state issue in this case.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Were there other story links? Do you remember what they were or at least where in the thread they got posted? The links I've seen so far made no mention of permit violations



    You are not in violation of the law if the clearance sign is wrong and you would have cleared the structure had it been correct? For example If the sign says 13' clearance and you are 12'6" but the clearance is actually 12'5", you are not in violation of the law. Furthermore, if the structure was originally higher but has settled and the sign isn't updated again you are not in violation of the law.

    Now for this specific case I am not automatically giving the driver a pass. If there are more details as to why it was his fault, please point out the post numbers. Otherwise I am going off the OP link and noting why the driver may not be at fault. In other words, the linked article is scarce enough on details that it really could go either way.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    WA State routes are issued by the state. Permits issued by the city are for routing on city streets. I-5 is state route. Permit and route were state issue in this case.

    I still do oversize movements occasionally.
    Do WA permits have the disclaimer absolving the state from any responsibility for hits and wrecks?

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