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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No, but I have driven military 5 tons.
    I drive military 5-tons now. I also drive military M916s with a flat-bed; wide and heavy loads. They are not the same animal. You cannot switch lanes on the fly, you have a long vehicle to see around and ensure clearance first.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    No way, that anyone will convince me it wasn't his fault because he was following instructions.
    Good thing for anyone, then, that you're very irrelevant.

    This is not an opinion sounding board. This is a debate site. The purpose of debate is to prove an argument true or false. Not convince anyone of anything. That you refuse to be convinced is irrelevant. We will use you for as long as we desire to expose your continued lies and distortions.

    5-tons, pft....every private fresh out of BCT drives a 5-ton. That's hardly a credential.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Good thing for anyone, then, that you're very irrelevant.

    This is not an opinion sounding board. This is a debate site. The purpose of debate is to prove an argument true or false. Not convince anyone of anything. That you refuse to be convinced is irrelevant. We will use you for as long as we desire to expose your continued lies and distortions.

    5-tons, pft....every private fresh out of BCT drives a 5-ton. That's hardly a credential.
    Wow...

    Dismissal...

    I'm sorry, but again, the bottom line is the driver is the last safety check.

    There is no way you guys can deny that fact.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What do you think the responsibilities of a pilot car service are? Good God man. If you hold truck drivers in such low regard, then do us the favor of not commenting any further, because you just don't know what the hell you are talking about here.

    But if there is a citation here, the truck driver will receive it, right? Even if the pilot car does not warn the driver of an impeding conflict.

    So in essence the buck stops with the truck driver even if he got crappy information from the pilot car.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Wow...

    Dismissal...

    I'm sorry, but again, the bottom line is the driver is the last safety check.

    There is no way you guys can deny that fact.
    No one is denying that. In fact BOTH of us, Jerry and I have said that moving over to the left lane, or taking, at the least the middle of both lanes was what should have happened....Here is what that would look like in real time spelled out for you, and what possibly went wrong....

    1. 1.5 miles from bridge - Lead Pilot car radio's convoy of up coming bridge in 1.5 miles.

    2. .8 to .5 milels from bridge - Rear Pilot car radio's to convoy moving to left lane, clear for both lanes proceed.

    3. Crossing bridge - Rear Pilot car informs truck and lead car of traffic behind him, and what the potential is when bridge is clear for cars/trucks passing.

    4. Clear bridge - All vehicles move to right and proceed. Lead Pilot car resumes radio control of up coming obstacles.

    That is how a smooth transition goes. The reason you have pilot cars for a move of this sort is because of several factors....

    a. The load is wide enough to hamper vision around to the back

    b. The truck carrying the load will be going below the posted speed.

    c. The load will be traveling through high traffic areas, and extra marking and safety are needed.

    Now, a possible scenerio that could have contributed to this accident.

    1a. Traffic was heavy, and would not yield right of way to load.

    2b. Cars beside load allowed barely enough room for load to clear structure of bridge.

    3c. Other tractor trailer moved along side of load causing load driver to move to the right.

    4d. Load strikes bridge support.

    Now, We know that the driver was not arrested, and was cooperating with State authorities, so yours, and others just blanket placement of blame on him is obviously incorrect. We also know that a part of that reason is that another truck headed the same direction refused to yield the right of way for the load to properly take the center of both lanes, and that the pilot cars failed their job to secure both lanes for the load. We know that the bridge had a safety rating of 57 out of 100, and that it was the main connection between Washington State, and Canada. The NTSB will be the final word, but so far this jerk type response to jump straight to blame the trucker driver for the accident is just plain wrong. Now, that is not to say that he doesn't bear some of the responsibility of the accident, but, to move a load like this there is a lot of support to the driver in place for a reason, and just plainly not enough 4 wheelers that know or care how to drive around big trucks, let alone think that their actions on the road have consequences after they zoom past....And to the driver of the other tractor that pinned the load to the right, HE is the one that should loose his damned licence...

    I mean, I can get mad at 4 wheelers all day long, and tell stories of their dumb assed driving around trucks on the road, but for another Class A CDL driver to pull such a bone headed move as to pass a large load on a bridge? Well, let's just say that driver should not be behind the wheel of a big truck period.

    Now, carry on.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Iraq accomplished more for the country than Solyndra did.

    Wrong.!

    Solyndra did not bankrupt the country.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    But if there is a citation here, the truck driver will receive it, right? Even if the pilot car does not warn the driver of an impeding conflict.

    So in essence the buck stops with the truck driver even if he got crappy information from the pilot car.
    Yeah, and I am not disputing that the driver of the load may have born some of the responsibility of the incident at all. But I didn't see any reports of the driver being cited, or even arrested. In fact one story say that he wasn't. Now one thing you should know about this, also, The pilot car company could be cited instead of the driver if it is determined that they failed to do their job in crossing the bridge and created an unsafe crossing.

    My guess is that both the driver, and the pilot company were determined to have done everything possible to avoid accidents, and that final determination is held off until the NTSB are done with their investigations. So, at this time it is speculation, but my guess is that the driver will be cleared due to traffic causing the accident.
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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Wrong.!

    Solyndra did not bankrupt the country.
    The country isn't banrupt.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The country isn't banrupt.

    Right, just trillions and trillions of dollars in the hole. Several trillions in the rathole known as Iraq. The famous OIL spigot, Iraq. The democracy where the guy with the most votes didn't get elected, oops, that also happened with GWBush, the first torturer. Iran's new friend and our great ally, Iraq. YUP. Iraq-greed, war profiteers, death, chaos, destruction, long term contamination, DU contamination, millions of refugees, torture, lies, Abu Ghraib, and then there is Solyndra, a failed business with greed.

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    Re: Wife of truck driver in bridge collapse says husband has 'impeccable' record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The country isn't banrupt.

    Right, just trillions and trillions of dollars in the hole. Several trillions in the rathole known as Iraq. The famous OIL spigot, Iraq. The democracy where the guy with the most votes didn't get elected, oops, that also happened with GWBush, the first torturer. Iran's new friend and our great ally, Iraq. YUP. Iraq-greed, war profiteers, death, chaos, destruction, long term contamination, DU contamination, millions of refugees, torture, lies, Abu Ghraib, and then there is Solyndra, a failed business with greed.

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