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Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

Dapper Andy said:
You realize Buffy the Vampire Slayer ended a decade ago, right?

The "tweens" would have been between 3 and 13 or so when the series ended.
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Yes, I'm aware. I thought it was obvious that since I was referencing a show a decade ago, I was also referencing people that were teens a decade ago.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Yes, I'm aware. I thought it was obvious that since I was referencing a show a decade ago, I was also referencing people that were teens a decade ago.
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So, tweens and high schoolers were teens a decade ago?

What the heck type of messed up high school did you get your diploma from?
 
Dapper Andy said:
How did they know who the gay kids were if they weren't discussing their sexuality?
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Because as another poster pointed out, many of the scouts went to the same school and especially older, teenage scouts, will start relationships that they may even talk about casually while at events. "I have a date with my girlfriend" or "I met this girl" are very casual pieces of conversation, that reveal a person's sexuality without being overt about it. A gay scout would be more likely to say "I have a date with my boyfriend" or "I met this guy", which is a red flag that they are gay but not really any sort of actual discussion about their sexuality.
 
roguenuke said:
So? They were still at scouts for a reason, to learn specific skills.
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Well your argument was that they would be interacting in scouts. My point is they will also be interacting outside of it. It's like school bullying, which doesn't usually happen in the middle of a teachers lesson
 
Dapper Andy said:
So, tweens and high schoolers were teens a decade ago?

What the heck type of messed up high school did you get your diploma from?
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Do you have a reading comprehension?

Let me restate this in the hope it gets to that head of yours:

Teens nowadays watch HIMYM.

Teens in the 90's-early 2000's watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Understand?
 
sangha said:
Kids are the group with the highest level of acceptance of homosexuals.

On this issue, it's adults, particularly the older adults, who are being cruel
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Please, make the laughing stop! You can't have ever spent any time around kids if you think that.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
While polling does indicate the "younger" generation is more accepting of homosexuality, I haven't seen many polls define that as what we would consider children. usually it's something like people under 50, or 35
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Actually, it's under 30 and the difference between them and older groups is huge.
 
sangha said:
Actually, it's under 30
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Different polls are going to have different definitions

and the difference between them and older groups is huge.
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Yes, I agree. But young adults are a drastically different group than school aged children
 
clownboy said:
Please, make the laughing stop! You can't have ever spent any time around kids if you think that.
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hell, kids aren't even "accepting" of other kids if they wear glasses or have red hair.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Well your argument was that they would be interacting in scouts. My point is they will also be interacting outside of it. It's like school bullying, which doesn't usually happen in the middle of a teachers lesson
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No, my argument was that there should be no reason to assume that just because they interact at scouts, they would be teasing others during scouting activities. In such a situation, they are less likely to tease each other because of the level of activity generally involved in scouting and the fact that one of the reasons for scouts is to teach respect for others. It isn't like school bullying because school has down time, where the students will be interacting without a teacher present for extended periods of time, whereas in scouts, not a whole lot of these times arise. Plus, at school, the adults are dealing with different types of students because all those kids have to be there. In scouts, they are there voluntarily. The majority of those who would cause issues in school are not likely to be in scouts. There are going to be exceptions to this, but in general, it is true.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Different polls are going to have different definitions
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SO what?

All the polls I've seen consistently show acceptance is higher among younger people



Yes, I agree. But young adults are a drastically different group than school aged children
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Doesn't seem to be true when it comes to this issue.
 
roguenuke said:
No, my argument was that there should be no reason to assume that just because they interact at scouts, they would be teasing others during scouting activities. In such a situation, they are less likely to tease each other because of the level of activity generally involved in scouting and the fact that one of the reasons for scouts is to teach respect for others. It isn't like school bullying because school has down time, where the students will be interacting without a teacher present for extended periods of time, whereas in scouts, not a whole lot of these times arise. Plus, at school, the adults are dealing with different types of students because all those kids have to be there. In scouts, they are there voluntarily. The majority of those who would cause issues in school are not likely to be in scouts. There are going to be exceptions to this, but in general, it is true.
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The whole teasing issue is a red herring. It's not like being in the scouts is going to result in more teasing.
 
roguenuke said:
No, my argument was that there should be no reason to assume that just because they interact at scouts, they would be teasing others during scouting activities.
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And as I said, school bullying doesn't happen in a middle of a lesson. it occurs in places like the hallway, bathroom, when kids arrive and leave school

In such a situation, they are less likely to tease each other because of the level of activity generally involved in scouting and the fact that one of the reasons for scouts is to teach respect for others.
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Right, but how we want kids to behave and how they act are often not the same thing

It isn't like school bullying because school has down time, where the students will be interacting without a teacher present for extended periods of time, whereas in scouts, not a whole lot of these times arise.
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I doubt bullying happens in those instances already. Even the account cited here concerned kids at a camp outing. So i still see it having little impact on it

Plus, at school, the adults are dealing with different types of students because all those kids have to be there. In scouts, they are there voluntarily. The majority of those who would cause issues in school are not likely to be in scouts. There are going to be exceptions to this, but in general, it is true.
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The reason bullying is such an issue is because it's not something solely engage in by 'bad kids" It's rather ubiquitous
 
shrubnose said:
Right.

And no one has a right to born either.

Believe what you want to believe.

Check back with me in thirty years and tell me how your wacky ideas are working out.

Have a nice day and a wonderful life.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself. ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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Henrin is correct. You're out of your darn mind if you think everyone has a right to join any club they want.
 
sangha said:
SO what?
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Well, you made some definitive statement about what was going to be defined as a 'younger generation, when such a statement simply isn't true.

All the polls I've seen consistently show acceptance is higher among younger people{/quote]

right, but young adults are not the same as school kids.





Doesn't seem to be true when it comes to this issue.
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Mathematician said:
Henrin is correct. You're out of your darn mind if you think everyone has a right to join any club they want.
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what's next? will the UNCF start giving scholarships to white kids? is the KKK going to start accepting black, jewish and hispanic members?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
And as I said, school bullying doesn't happen in a middle of a lesson. it occurs in places like the hallway, bathroom, when kids arrive and leave school

Right, but how we want kids to behave and how they act are often not the same thing

doubt bullying happens in those instances already. Even the account cited here concerned kids at a camp outing. So i still see it having little impact on it

The reason bullying is such an issue is because it's not something solely engage in by 'bad kids" It's rather ubiquitous
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I think I'm simply lost on why this was even brought up. Bullying will be part of scouts as much as it is with the ban as without. It is likely less of a problem in scouts than other places mainly because of the activity level and the fact that scouting is a voluntary thing to do, plus the lessons that it is specifically trying to teach. (Respect isn't emphasized in upper schools nearly as much percent of the lessons wise as it is going to be in scouts.)
 
OscarB63 said:
what's next? will the UNCF start giving scholarships to white kids? is the KKK going to start accepting black, jewish and hispanic members?
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the later would be pretty funny
 
Dapper Andy said:
How did they know who the gay kids were if they weren't discussing their sexuality?
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Exactly. In order to enforce the ban that was there, they had to talk about it. Are you really expecting that in a group of teenage boys none of them are going to tell someone else if they're gay? Before, they told someone and got bounced. Now they don't get bounced. That's the only difference.
 
The folks that are ok with this are parents that are also ok with ideas like having their little girls and boys bunk with each other. My God my little girl is 7 and she's already got boys all over her, I watch her like a hawk when in opposite sex company. She's 7 years old people. Those that say little gay kids aren't interested in other little non gay boys are smoking crack!! That simple!


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