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Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

roguenuke said:
Many gays fit that "myth", but not all and those others can't be leaders no matter how manly they are. And some straight men (like the one I described earlier) fit the description of being overly feminine/not manly. If it were all about the appearance of being a positive or negative male role model, then you/she would have a point. But one of the main things that shows this isn't the real reason is the very fact that women (a good amount in fact) are scout leaders. They are not going to be "good male role models" when they aren't even men.
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What are you even arguing against here? Someone took offence to maggie claiming that there was a certain subset of male homosexuals who fit the gay/effeminate stereotype to a high degree. My point was that taking such offense to a highly recognizable trend is silly.

Honestly, I'm always perplexed by how reactionary people get in these discussions. it's like that next era guy accused me of wanting to keep gays out of the scouts, when have only made statements to the contrary


[/quote]But one of the main things that shows this isn't the real reason is the very fact that women (a good amount in fact) are scout leaders. They are not going to be "good male role models" when they aren't even men. [/quote]

The only time I ever had female troop leaders was during the cub scouts. Boy scouts and above were always men, and this seemed a pretty uniform trend in the surrounding area.

Not that I am claiming it doesn't happen, but there seems to be a clear preference for men when approaching adolescence and the teen age years
 
roguenuke said:
But isn't this one of the reasons the BSA exists to begin with, to try to teach boys not to act like assholes to each other?
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without getting into a debate on what the boy scouts is about, what you want to teach children, and what they actually do, are two different things. Just consider all the bullying horror stories that are almost unanimously represented in accounts of the whole English prep-school experiance. Which was much more structured than a weekly scout meeting
 
sangha said:
While not scientifically proven, the widely accepted conventional wisdom is that the increasing acceptance of homosexuals has been heavily influenced by greater exposure to homosexuals.
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maybe as contributing to some long term trend in over all social perceptions. But until then, if kids find it "different" it's like lord of the flies for the little bastards.

LOL, let's face it, kids can be horribly cruel to each other.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Might have something to do with how conservatives treat homosexuals. There's nothing about being queer that intrinsically makes a man liberal.
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I don't think there's any truth to that at all but it's not really relevant either.

Regardless of *why* they're an ultra liberal demographic, they're still an ultra liberal demographic.
 
clownboy said:
No, it's not.
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Oh yes it is, citizenship and good conduct are a hallmark of the Scout troops I visited, that doesn't mean there isn't horseplay but not like in any other venue. Scouts should teach character and not every child wants to be subjected to the code of conduct a Scout is taught.

But there is a huge difference between asshole and horseplay. Scouts should know the difference even if many adults don't...

Those who don't please google the Scout law.... :peace
 
chromium said:
So everyone gay is ultra liberal and conservatives ****ting on them, for example until today the BSA, has nothing to do with that? Kids aren't born with a political lean.
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Yeah.

Every homosexual is ultra liberal.

Because, ya know, that's what I said.

:roll:
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
There's nothing about being queer that intrinsically makes a man liberal.
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yeah...but there is definitely something about being a liberal that intrinsically makes a man a queer. :lol: ;)
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
without getting into a debate on what the boy scouts is about, what you want to teach children, and what they actually do, are two different things. Just consider all the bullying horror stories that are almost unanimously represented in accounts of the whole English prep-school experiance. Which was much more structured than a weekly scout meeting
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English prep school is much closer to high school than the boy scouts. Boy scouts isn't compulsory, doesn't last for long hours every day, and even when they are together for extended periods of time, most of that time is taken up by learning activities or duties/chores. Children do much better being respectful of each other for short periods of time, especially when much of that time is spent doing something, vice long school days with in between periods and a lot of down time.
 
notquiteright said:
Oh yes it is, citizenship and good conduct are a hallmark of the Scout troops I visited, that doesn't mean there isn't horseplay but not like in any other venue. Scouts should teach character and not every child wants to be subjected to the code of conduct a Scout is taught.
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same with english prep-schools. But they were notorious for bullying, as well
 
notquiteright said:
Oh yes it is, citizenship and good conduct are a hallmark of the Scout troops I visited, that doesn't mean there isn't horseplay but not like in any other venue. Scouts should teach character and not every child wants to be subjected to the code of conduct a Scout is taught.

But there is a huge difference between asshole and horseplay. Scouts should know the difference even if many adults don't...

Those who don't please google the Scout law.... :peace
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Give it a rest I'm very familiar with scouting. Not in the slightest about training kids not to "act like assholes to each other".

Perhaps you need to read the oath again:

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.
 
clownboy said:
I think most kids would say, "who the heck is Neil Patrick Harris, move away, your blocking the screen!"
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Lot's of teens watch How I Met Your Mother. Hell, I know him from Doctor Horrible's sing along blog.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
maybe as contributing to some long term trend in over all social perceptions. But until then, if kids find it "different" it's like lord of the flies for the little bastards.

LOL, let's face it, kids can be horribly cruel to each other.
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Kids are the group with the highest level of acceptance of homosexuals.

On this issue, it's adults, particularly the older adults, who are being cruel
 
roguenuke said:
English prep school is much closer to high school than the boy scouts. Boy scouts isn't compulsory, doesn't last for long hours every day, and even when they are together for extended periods of time, most of that time is taken up by learning activities or duties/chores. Children do much better being respectful of each other for short periods of time, especially when much of that time is spent doing something, vice long school days with in between periods and a lot of down time.
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Everyone I was in the scouts with went to the same schools and lived in the same neighborhoods.
 
rocket88 said:
Nobody's having "sexuality discussions" in the Boy Scouts. They are simply accepting kids no matter their sexuality. The gay witch hunts of the past were discussing sexuality.
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How did they know who the gay kids were if they weren't discussing their sexuality?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
No

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Buddy, lot's of teens watch HIMYM. Lot's watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer with willow and her lesbian lover.

FunFact: The actress who plays Willow in Buffy is the same on who plays Lily in HIMYM.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Buddy, lot's of teens watch HIMYM. Lot's watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer with willow and her lesbian lover.

FunFact: The actress who plays Willow in Buffy is the same on who plays Lily in HIMYM.
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You realize Buffy the Vampire Slayer ended a decade ago, right?

The "tweens" would have been between 3 and 13 or so when the series ended.
 
sangha said:
Kids are the group with the highest level of acceptance of homosexuals.

On this issue, it's adults, particularly the older adults, who are being cruel
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While polling does indicate the "younger" generation is more accepting of homosexuality, I haven't seen many polls define that as what we would consider children. usually it's something like people under 50, or 35
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Everyone I was in the scouts with went to the same schools and lived in the same neighborhoods.
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So? They were still at scouts for a reason, to learn specific skills. It is much easier to curb "teasing" when you have something to distract with, such as learning things the kids want to learn, things the scouts teach. If a scout or several are more interested in teasing others than they are learning those skills, they can be kicked out of scouts much easier than they can be kicked out of school. We are only discussing what goes on at scouting events, not at school. Afterall, this decision only affects scouting events, not what goes on outside of scouts.
 
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