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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When will they allow atheists? I guess this proves that being gay is better than being an atheist in this country.
    Depends on your metric. The perception against being an atheist might be worse in general public opinion that being gay, but I'm not aware of any specific rights you are denied.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Can you imagine, a bunch of teenagers giving someone flack for being different?

    Besides being a rather common trend in everyone's youth, you might be confusing the reaction from his peers with a ban on participation. The former is not the later, and something the scouts have little control over
    They do have the power to require that scouts adhere to:
    Boy Scout Law

    A Scout is:
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    •Clean,
    •and Reverent
    Giving someone flack would seem to be in violation of several parts of the BSA's "law"
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The reality is this is the beginning of the end for the BSA. The activist that pushed for this will next push to end gender based scouting all together and put the boy scouts and girl scouts in one group called the scouts. These people hate everything the BSA stands for and their intent is to destroy or at least fundamentally change the entire organization.
    ORRRRRR some people love the Scouting principles just not the rather out dated traditions and some would say, good ol' fashioned bigotry. I can see a day where it is Scouts and not divided by sex, well at least outside the tents!

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    I'm not so much against gays being admitted as I am allowing an ultra liberal demographic into a conservative organization.

    I'm glad that the scouts made the decision on their own but I wonder how long until the experience is ruined by political correctness. It almost seems inevitable that hard work and achievement will give way to quotas and an "everyone needs to be an Eagle Scout" mentality.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They do have the power to require that scouts adhere to
    No ****, and this would be relevant if I was suggesting that the kids teasing this person shouldn't be disciplined. But my point was kids tease each other

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I'm not so much against gays being admitted as I am allowing an ultra liberal demographic into a conservative organization.

    I'm glad that the scouts made the decision on their own but I wonder how long until the experience is ruined by political correctness. It almost seems inevitable that hard work and achievement will give way to quotas and an "everyone needs to be an Eagle Scout" mentality.


    Because homosexuals, basically being a negative people, will only have negative effects on things.............The people here are just pathetic.....................

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Logical flow.

    Everyone has the right to associate with who they please.
    Everyone has the right to property which includes the right to control access
    Everyone has a right to their own labor.

    When the government makes laws telling people they must associate with someone they are violating their right to association.
    When the government tells people they must allow someone on their property or allow them to stay on their property they are violating their right to property
    When the government tells people they must do business with someone they are making that person a involuntary servant of the other person and such violating the 13th amendment.
    So no court precedent to quote, just your opinion of what is flowing is 'logic'?

    So in this case, not vague stream of 'logic', the courts have ruled a business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, such as race, sex, or orientation?

    Has the court ruled that if a diner open to the public refuses to make a sammich for a black guy that is Constitutional?

    Did I miss a whole slew of recent court rulings?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No ****, and this would be relevant if I was suggesting that the kids teasing this person shouldn't be disciplined. But my point was kids tease each other
    You didn't merely suggest, but you outright claimed that BSA had little control over whether their scouts gave each other "flack"

    Now, you're claiming that BSA can discipline those teens.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Depends on your metric. The perception against being an atheist might be worse in general public opinion that being gay, but I'm not aware of any specific rights you are denied.
    It's hard to deny us when we have no real external signs of what we are. Muuuwwaahahahahahahahahahahahaah
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Because homosexuals, basically being a negative people, will only have negative effects on things.............The people here are just pathetic.....................
    That's clearly not what I said.

    The BSA is generally a more conservative organization whereas homosexuals are generally an ultra liberal demographic group.

    Homosexuals, particularly young homosexuals, are probably the most liberal demographic there is.

    Part of what makes scouting so appealing to the conservatives that have made up the organization for generations is the belief that hard work and dedication is the route to success. Right or wrong, this is a belief liberals tend to reject. They tend to see success as being the result of the proper skin pigmentation and how wealthy one's parents are. I'm not against letting gays into scouts but I wonder how long before the requirements to become an Eagle Scout are modified because it is suddenly culturally biased or single parent households can't take time off to do all the activities.
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