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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    You mean besides the fact you have made no counter arguments to anything I have said.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean besides the fact you have made no counter arguments to anything I have said.
    There's only one thing that needs to be said about your opinions:

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wrong again. The word regulate meant to "keep regular". The power given to Congress is to keep “regular” the commerce between and among the various states. Using the modern definition of the word regulate is wrong. It does not mean to control or supervise (a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations."
    And since it has been interpreted to mean "manage" since the very early 1800's when many who contributed to the Constitution were still in governing position, this is why intent is so variable and fairly irrelevant.


    When you say you can enact the powers of congress and the amendments in question are somehow not limits on the government that is exactly what you're doing.
    Again, Henrin, since the early 1800's things have been interpreted in different ways. This is, again, why intent is fairly irrelevant because of the variable nature of the intentions and the generalized nature of many parts of the Constitution.

    Like I said. I have have no use for those who practice original intent. The position is illogical as there was NO singular intent as there was no singular author and the wording was generalized to allow for future use and relative to allow for flexibility. You and I do not have a common frame of reference for which to discuss this issue.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    And since it has been interpreted to mean "manage" since the very early 1800's when many who contributed to the Constitution were still in governing position, this is why intent is so variable and fairly irrelevant.




    Again, Henrin, since the early 1800's things have been interpreted in different ways. This is, again, why intent is fairly irrelevant because of the variable nature of the intentions and the generalized nature of many parts of the Constitution.

    Like I said. I have have no use for those who practice original intent. The position is illogical as there was NO singular intent as there was no singular author and the wording was generalized to allow for future use and relative to allow for flexibility. You and I do not have a common frame of reference for which to discuss this issue.
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    It's our duty to maintain a consistent interpretation, to assure a fair application of the law to all people and their posterity. Inconsistent interpretations allow creep in the meaning of words and clauses, and consequently the fair application of the law.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    [/FONT][/COLOR]BBC News - Boy Scouts of America votes to ease ban on gay members

    Good for the Scouts.

    And I eagerly await the freakishly hateful statements that will inevitably come from people like the Family Research Council.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    why do they continue to not allow girls?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's our duty to maintain a consistent interpretation, to assure a fair application of the law to all people and their posterity. Inconsistent interpretations allow creep in the meaning of words and clauses, and consequently the fair application of the law.
    Indeed. The ability to predict what the law is going to be held to mean by knowing what it has meant is the basis for the idea of the rule of law. Anything else is just Rule of Man with fancy window-dressing.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And since it has been interpreted to mean "manage" since the very early 1800's when many who contributed to the Constitution were still in governing position, this is why intent is so variable and fairly irrelevant.
    Another awful argument, Captain. The actions of the founders and the SC after the Constitution was made the law of the land has not bearing on what words mean and what the clauses were intended to do. Even in the Constitution there was winners and losers, so the desires of the losers has no bearing on what was actually agreed upon when those individuals put their name on the document.

    Tell me, captain. If I was give you the duty of putting down your philosophy and you chose words carefully to convey the message you want, but as soon as I get my hands on your philosophy I start to redefine the words written and ignore your intent to make it my own. Would that still put out the message you wanted or would it simply put out mine? If I was to in turn follow this philosophy myself with these now redefined words would I actually be following your philosophy or would I just be following my own? Do you see what I'm saying here? It's important we maintain the meaning of clauses and words as they were written so that we actually follow the document meant to restrict us instead of simply following something we find will do whatever we want.



    Again, Henrin, since the early 1800's things have been interpreted in different ways. This is, again, why intent is fairly irrelevant because of the variable nature of the intentions and the generalized nature of many parts of the Constitution.
    That has nothing to do with intent, you know. That has to do with desires of man much like it does today.

    Like I said. I have have no use for those who practice original intent. The position is illogical as there was NO singular intent as there was no singular author and the wording was generalized to allow for future use and relative to allow for flexibility. You and I do not have a common frame of reference for which to discuss this issue.
    And I already told you this is wrong. There were in fact winners and losers and like any other law there is an intent behind each clause.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's our duty to maintain a consistent interpretation, to assure a fair application of the law to all people and their posterity. Inconsistent interpretations allow creep in the meaning of words and clauses, and consequently the fair application of the law.
    Constitutions should consist only of general provisions; the reason is that they must necessarily be permanent, and that they cannot calculate for the possible change of things. Alexander Hamilton
    The Constitution was never meant to be rigid or only specific. The Constitution is an amazing document that is not only applicable to the late 1700's, but applicable to today. Nearly all the information that we need is there. All one has to do is not be so rigid as to read it as if it is STILL the 1700's and nearly all of today's issues can be addressed by this document.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The Constitution was never meant to be rigid or only specific. The Constitution is an amazing document that is not only applicable to the late 1700's, but applicable to today. Nearly all the information that we need is there. All one has to do is not be so rigid as to read it as if it is STILL the 1700's and nearly all of today's issues can be addressed by this document.
    The Constitution provides for the basic structure of our government, and was not meant to be interpreted to make it mean what any one individual or group thinks it should mean. There is a process to amend it, but without doing so any expansion of power is out of bounds IMV...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The Constitution was never meant to be rigid or only specific. The Constitution is an amazing document that is not only applicable to the late 1700's, but applicable to today. Nearly all the information that we need is there. All one has to do is not be so rigid as to read it as if it is STILL the 1700's and nearly all of today's issues can be addressed by this document.
    Staying to one interpretation is not rigid, but logical and correct. When you write a document the meaning you put behind those words is what others should understand and follow. Yes, that means in at least part we should use definitions of words from 1787, not 2013.

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