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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, I have seen that argument before. It's the old argument that I can take a document of limited powers and make it reach to whatever I want. It's based on nothing but illogical thought patterns.
    I'm sure you've seen the argument before. Your dismissal of it doesn't alter that it is completely logical and doesn't refute a single thing I said.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The Point




    Your head

    Also, yes, actually. They used to exclude black people, but that practice (mostly) ended nearly a century ago. It took much longer to integrate troops though, black scouts had the "separate but (not) equal" troops until like the freaking 70's.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm sure you've seen the argument before. Your dismissal of it doesn't alter that it is completely logical and doesn't refute a single thing I said.
    The idea you can ignore the meanings of words when they were written and the basic rules of the english language to make clauses mean whatever you want them to mean is completely without merit in both the logical sense and the ethical sense.

    It's even worse when you suggest that the powers of congress are somehow above and beyond the rights of the people.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The idea you can ignore the meanings of words when they were written and the basic rules of the english language to make clauses mean whatever you want them to mean is completely without merit in both the logical sense and the ethical sense.

    It's even worse when you suggest that the powers of congress are somehow above and beyond the rights of the people.
    Even worse when you suggest that your opinions have authority above and beyond SCOTUS's
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Even worse when you suggest that your opinions have authority above and beyond SCOTUS's
    My opinion?

    My view towards the commerce clause comes from Madison himself.
    My view towards the section of the fourteenth amendment used comes from the words written on the page that only restrict the action of state and protects the peoples rights and of course the intent of that section of the amendment that was to restrict states from action and protect peoples rights.
    The first amendment was intended in part to protect all peoples right to association which includes business owners obviously.
    The thirteenth amendment protects everyones right to not be a slave or an involuntary servant which again includes business owners obviously. It is clear that if we are outlawing involuntary servitude from the US that the federal government can not in turn put people into involuntary servitude through legislation.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    My opinion?
    Yes

    My view towards the commerce clause comes from Madison himself.
    IOW, it doesn't come from the constitution

    My view towards the section of the fourteenth amendment used comes from the words written on the page that only restrict the action of state and protects the peoples rights and of course the intent of that section of the amendment that was to restrict states from action and protect peoples rights.
    IOW, your opinion comes from your opinion

    The first amendment was intended in part to protect all peoples right to association which includes business owners obviously.
    Your opinion. Not in the constitution

    The thirteenth amendment protects everyones right to not be a slave or an involuntary servant which again includes business owners obviously. It is clear that if we are outlawing involuntary servitude from the US that the federal government can not in turn put people into involuntary servitude through legislation.
    True, but irrelevant because it only outlawed enslavement, not regulation. Regulation is allowed by the CC, which is misunderstood by you because your opinion is self-admittedly not guided by the constitution
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes
    No.

    IOW, it doesn't come from the constitution
    No, it's from Madison when he was talking about Constitution.

    IOW, your opinion comes from your opinion
    Can you read the english language? What does that section of the fourteenth amendment referenced by the SC say?

    Your opinion. Not in the constitution
    It very clearly is in the Constitution. Would you like to say how its not? No?

    True, but irrelevant because it only outlawed enslavement, not regulation. Regulation is allowed by the CC, which is misunderstood by you because your opinion is self-admittedly not guided by the constitution
    That argument makes no sense. The commerce clause has nothing to do with regulation of business, but trade disputes between the listed members. It would have no bearing on business at all. Also, not all regulation calls for involuntary servitude.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    When you pick on the Boy Scouts you piss off Chuck Norris.



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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Question: How many kids in the US today over 16 want to be "scouts" anyway anymore ?................................
    Anymore? No one wanted to hang around that regimented bull**** when I was 16 either. Hell, by 14 we were too cool to scout. All of the Eagle scouts since back in the '50s have been Gay young men. They had much more motivation to hang out in a troop of young men.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Have a link?
    Yes. Although the thought that a group excluded black people in the past shouldn't exactly be a surprise. The whole freaking country segregated black people!

    African Americans in the Boy Scout movement | African American Registry
    History of the Boy Scouts of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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