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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So instead of Boy Scouts "marching" and singing boy scout songs will they be "skipping" and singing show tunes?
    Do you realize just how stupid this stuff sounds when you post it? I hear no one wanting to change any of the structure or procedures of the Boy Scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Please, make the laughing stop! You can't have ever spent any time around kids if you think that.
    Actually, he's right. My job requires me to spend a lot of time around kids. They are far more accepting of homosexuals than adults, especially older adults. Further, surveys consistently show that the younger one is the more likely one is accepting of homosexuality.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by csense View Post
    I'm well aware of what the common definition of such a fallacy is, which doesn't impress me since most people, especially on the internet, don't have a clue what formal logic is.
    Then you agree that you used the definition incorrectly, correct?

    You're still begging the question, which you can not avoid. You can not determine the truth of a proposition from it's consequences, since false premises sometimes yield true consequences. You would have to know all of the consequences, throughout all time, to make such a determination. There simply doesn't exist a method to determine what is true. We can only ever know what isn't true through contradiction, which, as an aside, is why all scientific theories are tentative.
    I'm not begging the question at all. The issue is not whatever claim I am making. That is for you to dispute. However, you cannot refute it by tossing out the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy, claiming that the position violates it. It doesn't based on the definition of the fallacy. Find another way to refute the position.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know gays and they all are effeminate. There is a gay guy in my Mt bike group and he's a good rider but so are many of the women, they are still feminine though.
    maybe all the gays YOU know but is factually not the case.

    of the many i know, you cant even tell unless they want you to or you simply see them with their boyfriends.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    but not prolife!
    I'm in favor of abortion, but it should be retroactive one generation.
    Care to speculaste how many expectant mothers would abort themselves?
    They can't take care of themselves or be responsible for their actions right? just a drag on the society and taxes. Abort them with their unborn infant.
    They can have an interesting discussion together past the veil.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    If you really think that all gays are super effeminate, odds are those who are not aren't going to tell or even bother with you, because you come across as a huge homophobe. Based on the comments here, that's the theory I'm going with.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The issue is not whatever claim I am making.

    It is if the claim is that such an authoritative agency, by citing it, infers truth. That is what I am disputing and for reasons which I've already made clear. An appeal to authority, without exception, begs the question. If you feel comfortable with the definition you posted, and you find it useful in debates, then fine, but with regards to truth, such an appeal has no reasonable foundation with which to speak of.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by csense View Post
    It is if the claim is that such an authoritative agency, by citing it, infers truth. That is what I am disputing and for reasons which I've already made clear. An appeal to authority, without exception, begs the question. If you feel comfortable with the definition you posted, and you find it useful in debates, then fine, but with regards to truth, such an appeal has no reasonable foundation with which to speak of.
    No, an appeal to authority does not beg the question if the authority IS the/an authority on the issue. If one wants to use Einstein when discussing Physics or Mathematics, an opponent claiming an appeal to authority has no basis with which to make that claim. If they are using Shakespeare when discussing Physics or Mathematics, then the appeal to authority logical fallacy is an appropriate confrontation, attacking the logic of the claim. Einstein may or may not be right on an issue of Physics or Mathematics, but one cannot dismiss him solely on his position. One CAN dismiss Shakespeare.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henrin View Post
    Yes, it does.
    Nope. You are absolutely wrong. Sorry.
    You can pretend it does...but it does not.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The ban on openly gay adult leaders is still disgusting though.
    However, it's their right to do so, just like it's their right to allow gay members.

    Ain't it great when Americans make free choices on their own vice the government forcing them to make those decisions? I'm all for that kind of freedom. What about you?
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