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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    It is your right to decide to not "mix" with whoever you want.
    It certainly is. It is a person's choice not to join the Boy Scouts.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah...but there is definitely something about being a liberal that intrinsically makes a man a queer.
    I've got a really bad habit-- that I'm trying to break-- of using homosexual slurs to refer to people on the wrong side of certain policy debates. See, I keep having to remind myself that most of the actual homosexuals I've known have been better men (and women) than that. I wouldn't want to insult them.

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    The right to life.
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    Not forcing property owners to accept everyone on their property is a wacky idea??
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    Want to tell me how you can put someone into involuntary servitude and not violate the thirteenth amendment? No? Yeah, I didn't think so.
    Well, it starts by them being a woman, and pregnant, and then "libertarians" like you forgetting everything you know about rights...

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    You're right then...the "no exception" part was too hyperbolic. ("Without exception" probably always is hyperbole...without exception! )

    Rather, let me backtrack and say I think my point holds generally true.

    (By the way...have you known or suspected that you've met 30-40 gay people? Do you suppose they were the "flamboyant" types that the other poster insisted is always the case?)
    again, it comes down to defining terms. what exactly does it mean to have "met" someone? merely passing someone on the street or seeing them in WAL-MART, IMHO, does not mean that I "met" them.

    I would agree that most gay people are not the flamboyant, assless pants wearing, gay pride marching flamer type. However, I don't think that most people have "met" many,many gay people. There just aren't that "many" gay people in the country ....

    given the statistics, you are just as likely to have met someone with hepatitis without knowing it as you are to have met a gay person without knowing it.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Well, it starts by them being a woman, and pregnant, and then "libertarians" like you forgetting everything you know about rights...
    Nonsense. The right to life and the right to property of the unborn child conflicts with the right to property of the woman(the body in this case). If the woman were to act the other party would lose all their rights.

    Btw, you know I'm not for outlawing abortion, right?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I've got a really bad habit-- that I'm trying to break-- of using homosexual slurs to refer to people on the wrong side of certain policy debates. See, I keep having to remind myself that most of the actual homosexuals I've known have been better men (and women) than that. I wouldn't want to insult them.
    oh, I agree.... it was a joke. no actual slur was intended. just a play on the old "not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles"

    In general, I think "gay" slurs are pointless and stupid. since there is nothing wrong with being gay...how can calling someone "gay" be an insult?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    again, it comes down to defining terms. what exactly does it mean to have "met" someone? merely passing someone on the street or seeing them in WAL-MART, IMHO, does not mean that I "met" them.
    I would say having spoken to them, shared some small part of the larger social bond. I guess I meant it as "relatively trivial acquaintanceship"--say, having more than once exchanged pleasantries with a cashier at the grocery store. (Technically it would require only a single meeting, really, but anyway....)

    I would agree that most gay people are not the flamboyant, assless pants wearing, gay pride marching flamer type. However, I don't think that most people have "met" many,many gay people. There just aren't that "many" gay people in the country ....
    Again, if we take the "2%" number for the sake of argument, it would place, for me, the likley number of homosexuals I"ve unwittingly met somewhere in the hundreds, I should think.

    I'd add by way of personal observation--not as answer to you, since you seem to agree, but to the poster (s) who thinks every homosexual is recognizeable, either effeminate or "butch"...that of the dozens of homosexuals I"ve met who I knew were homosexuals, by far most of them did not display any of these "outing" behaviours.

    given the statistics, you are just as likely to have met someone with hepatitis without knowing it as you are to have met a gay person without knowing it.
    And? How does that even faintly undermine my point?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nonsense. The right to life and the right to property of the unborn child conflicts with the right to property of the woman(the body in this case). If the woman were to act the other party would lose all their rights.

    Btw, you know I'm not for outlawing abortion, right?
    I'm sorry. I'm not trying to turn this thread into another one of our abortion arguments... but it just jumped out at me.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I'm sorry. I'm not trying to turn this thread into another one of our abortion arguments... but it just jumped out at me.
    I know. The involuntary servitude argument I don't think the pro-life side can get past. The rest of the arguments that pro-choice people have are pretty awful, but that one has it's merits.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    oh, I agree.... it was a joke. no actual slur was intended. just a play on the old "not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles"

    In general, I think "gay" slurs are pointless and stupid. since there is nothing wrong with being gay...how can calling someone "gay" be an insult?
    Yeah. I didn't think you meant anything by it. Just caught me wrong, and I realized I couldn't quite reconcile my bad habit of calling hoplophobes and anti-war protestors "faggots" with my enthusiastic support for the Pink Pistols and the repeal of DADT. I suppose none of us is perfect.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    I'd add by way of personal observation--that of the dozens of homosexuals I"ve met who I knew were homosexuals, by far most of them did not display any of these "outing" behaviours.
    I have met, IIRC, only a dozen or so "confirmed" homosexuals and by far most of them were "obviously gay". not saying they were flaming flouncers but they had the stereotypical gay signs.

    about the only person I have met that is gay that I know is gay who does not display any "outing" behaviors is the son of one of my wife's friends. He was actually in the Army and got put out on a medical discharge (back injury during Airborne training) back before DADT was repealed. Likes to hunt and fish. basically a good ole boy redneck.
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