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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I guess it depends on what you consider "plenty". I live in a town of around 5,000 people. I've probably met, at most, around 500 of them. given the statisitcs and "doing the math"...there would be at most 100 gay people in town. at most I would have met 10 gay people. 10 =/= many, many




    I gave this a little thought and decided that you are right, so I changed my post - check it out.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    Correct.. They should have the right to choose to allow the people they want in their private club. You can make your own club if you'd like. Do you want to go play in the WNBA also?
    So its ok to open a theater....make it a private club and require blacks if they want to join to sit in the balcony.....right? "Private" Dinner clubs to keep Latinos and other "riff-raff out". "White only" country clubs so that we don't have to mix with the icky people?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    But if you've only met 500 people, that is not the norm. I'm 46, and the number of people I've met is in the many thousands,certainly.
    excuse me for being a poor country boy from Alabama. I have probably met less than 3000 people in my entire life (and a big chunk of them were in the military so the % of gays there was much lower than average). plus the % of gays in Alabama is less than half the national average (AL has the 9th lowest gay pop in the country)

    taking all that into consideration, I ve most likely only met 30-40 gay people in my entire life. 30-40 over a span of 50 years is not "many, many".

    so while I may not "be the norm"...that is not what was claimed. the claim was that "You have met many, many gay people, men and women, without having the faintest clue about their orientation.
    EVERYONE has, WITHOUT EXCEPTION".
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There's always the possibility that something undesirable will happen but the whole idea of keeping kids of opposite sex apart is to reduce the ease with which something like that can happen. The same can be said with regard to the adults who are supervising.

    Look, is anybody really surprised that some West Point staffer was filming naked female cadets? If you set up the situation so that it can happen it will happen. That's just human nature. You might not be able to stop it but if it's undesirable it's just plain stupid to make the possibility that it will happen even greater. I mean, seriously, are you going to put 20 twelve year old boys and girls in a room and tell them not to screw around and just assume that nothing is going to happen? No, because that would be stupid. The same applies to putting 18 hetero 12 year old boys in a room with 2 gays ones and assuming that nothing was going to happen. What happens when one of the gay kids gets beat up? You punish everyone and then what....do it again until they get it right? Ridiculous.
    What happens if one of the straight ones gets beat up? That happens too. Sometimes because they think you're gay even if you're not. I wouldn't assume that 20 12 year olds could stay out of trouble no matter what their orientation.

    I'd hesitate to put any orientation label on a 12 year old anyway. When they get to 17 or 18, that's one thing. All this changes is that the "official policy" reflects the reality that there were gay scouts anyway.


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Give it a rest I'm very familiar with scouting. Not in the slightest about training kids not to "act like assholes to each other".

    Perhaps you need to read the oath again:

    On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    and to obey the Scout Law;
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong,
    mentally awake, and morally straight.
    Well you seem quite selective on what parts of Scouting to cite... certainly have little interest in the emphasis Scouting puts on citizenship.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    excuse me for being a poor country boy from Alabama. I have probably met less than 3000 people in my entire life (and a big chunk of them were in the military so the % of gays there was much lower than average). plus the % of gays in Alabama is less than half the national average (AL has the 9th lowest gay pop in the country)

    taking all that into consideration, I ve most likely only met 30-40 gay people in my entire life. 30-40 over a span of 50 years is not "many, many".

    so while I may not "be the norm"...that is not what was claimed. the claim was that "You have met many, many gay people, men and women, without having the faintest clue about their orientation.
    EVERYONE has, WITHOUT EXCEPTION".
    You're right then...the "no exception" part was too hyperbolic. ("Without exception" probably always is hyperbole...without exception! )

    Rather, let me backtrack and say I think my point holds generally true.

    (By the way...have you known or suspected that you've met 30-40 gay people? Do you suppose they were the "flamboyant" types that the other poster insisted is always the case?)
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then you must agree with my position.

    Is logic somehow unconstitutional?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So its ok to open a theater....make it a private club and require blacks if they want to join to sit in the balcony.....right? "Private" Dinner clubs to keep Latinos and other "riff-raff out". "White only" country clubs so that we don't have to mix with the icky people?
    It is your right to decide to not "mix" with whoever you want.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What happens if one of the straight ones gets beat up? That happens too. Sometimes because they think you're gay even if you're not. I wouldn't assume that 20 12 year olds could stay out of trouble no matter what their orientation.

    I'd hesitate to put any orientation label on a 12 year old anyway. When they get to 17 or 18, that's one thing. All this changes is that the "official policy" reflects the reality that there were gay scouts anyway.
    But what's the point of creating the situation to begin with? Why create an environment that is conducive to undesirable behavior. Like you said, keeping 20 twelve year olds in line is difficult enough without all the additional crap.

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