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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So kids were being kicked out all the time if they came out to their friends. How would anyone know?
    They were being found out because they were open at school about it or it was mentioned in something such as a news article or acceptance speech, and then it was reported back to scout masters/higher ups in the BSA. They even took some badges these boys had already earned from them.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right.

    And no one has a right to born either.
    The right to life.

    Believe what you want to believe.

    Check back with me in thirty years and tell me how your wacky ideas are working out.

    Have a nice day and a wonderful life.
    Not forcing property owners to accept everyone on their property is a wacky idea??

    I'm guessing you wouldn't have a problem if they made the same rules for your home or your body, right?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They were being found out because they were open at school about it or it was mentioned in something such as a news article or acceptance speech, and then it was reported back to scout masters/higher ups in the BSA. They even took some badges these boys had already earned from them.
    They took badges they had already earned? What badges would those be?

    Do you think there are any values or opinions a voluntary organization should maintain as a requirement for membership?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The appeal to authority logical fallacy is a bit different than what you think it is. Here is a good description:
    I'm well aware of what the common definition of such a fallacy is, which doesn't impress me since most people, especially on the internet, don't have a clue what formal logic is.



    If the authority you are citing is the actual authority on the issue being discussed, the appeal to authority logical fallacy does not apply.

    You're still begging the question, which you can not avoid. You can not determine the truth of a proposition from it's consequences, since false premises sometimes yield true consequences. You would have to know all of the consequences, throughout all time, to make such a determination. There simply doesn't exist a method to determine what is true. We can only ever know what isn't true through contradiction, which, as an aside, is why all scientific theories are tentative.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Why was there a need for an official policy if it seems nobody knew before?
    Why did they need one before this?


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why did they need one before this?
    I don't know. Do you?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did I say the constitution was perfect? No. What I said, is that discrimination laws violate the right to association, property rights, and the thirteenth amendment. Are you claiming you want to do away with all of those rights?
    You mean all those things that didn't apply to black people when the constitution was formed and had to be added after because the constitution wasn't perfect? You argued the constitution was right and therefor you were correct for agreeing with it. Since the constitution was not right and it has gone through many forms and still has the opportunity to be changed because it could be wrong, your argument fails when it bases it's entire premise on the constitution being correct.

    Now if you would like to argue on the merrits of things like non-discrimination and equality please do create a rational reason for doing so and apply it to what I said. But since your argument was based solely on "the constitution says so" and absolutely nothing else i only need to dismantle the idea that the constitution only says the correct things. Do not get pissy with me because you made a crappy argument.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't know. Do you?
    No idea, but apparently the BSA felt it was necessary. Given that it was in the past, I think it's fair to have one now.


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You mean all those things that didn't apply to black people when the constitution was formed and had to be added after because the constitution wasn't perfect? You argued the constitution was right and therefor you were correct for agreeing with it. Since the constitution was not right and it has gone through many forms and still has the opportunity to be changed because it could be wrong, your argument fails when it bases it's entire premise on the constitution being correct.
    The thirteenth amendment is redundant. Even before it was put in place no one had the right to own another human being or the right to anyone else's labor or service.

    Btw, your argument is bizarre. I'm making a constitutional argument as it stands now. If you would like to change the constitution to make my argument invalid you would have to rip into some pretty well supported elements. Good luck.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    They took badges they had already earned? What badges would those be?

    Do you think there are any values or opinions a voluntary organization should maintain as a requirement for membership?
    Those which they put as part of their mission, which have no logical gripe with homosexuality.

    As for the badge thing, I think I misunderstood. I know that they have kicked out some Eagle Scouts for being gay, but I can't find where they have actually taken back badges/medals. My bad. It is actually the people sending back their badges until full equality is gained.
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