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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What does an openly Gay Boy Scout look like, and what would they be doing in Scouting that would indicate they were?
    You wouldn't know. The only difference is that they won't get kicked out if they come out to someone.

    Do you expect that in a group of teenage boys, NOBODY's going to talk about sex?


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think I'm simply lost on why this was even brought up. Bullying will be part of scouts as much as it is with the ban as without.
    Which is exactly the point I was making. When the original anecdote was communicated here, it was as if this was going to have some major impact on such bullying. Because "there is less validation for it" from authority and it would be "less fun".

    that is naive and totally ignores the dynamics involved with it

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it's not.
    Then it should be all good. They didn't allow it before, now they do. They chose to allow it, that should be the end right?

    Apparently some people have a problem with that which is why we have a 20+ page thread about it.


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You wouldn't know. The only difference is that they won't get kicked out if they come out to someone.

    Do you expect that in a group of teenage boys, NOBODY's going to talk about sex?
    So kids were being kicked out all the time if they came out to their friends. How would anyone know?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Is the constitution automatically right in all aspects? No, so any argument based on it's perfection are invalid. So now that your argument which is based on the constitution being automatically correct is invalid do you have anything else to support your reasoning?
    Did I say the constitution was perfect? No. What I said, is that discrimination laws violate the right to association, property rights, and the thirteenth amendment. Are you claiming you want to do away with all of those rights?

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Then it should be all good. They didn't allow it before, now they do. They chose to allow it, that should be the end right?

    Apparently some people have a problem with that which is why we have a 20+ page thread about it.
    In this case, it is. I support using social pressure on organizations that discriminate.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So kids were being kicked out all the time if they came out to their friends. How would anyone know?
    Probably not. In which case, what's the difference? Now the official policy reflects the reality, why is that bad?


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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Which is exactly the point I was making. When the original anecdote was communicated here, it was as if this was going to have some major impact on such bullying. Because "there is less validation for it" from authority and it would be "less fun".

    that is naive and totally ignores the dynamics involved with it
    There could be a decrease, but it will likely not be significant or be countered by those who just start "teasing" to try to force gay scouts out. It will be more about how such situations are handled by the adults, which is going to be different in every troop.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There could be a decrease, but it will likely not be significant or be countered by those who just start "teasing" to try to force gay scouts out. It will be more about how such situations are handled by the adults, which is going to be different in every troop.
    See, we agree

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Probably not. In which case, what's the difference? Now the official policy reflects the reality, why is that bad?
    Why was there a need for an official policy if it seems nobody knew before?

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