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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But isn't this one of the reasons the BSA exists to begin with, to try to teach boys not to act like assholes to each other?
    No, it's not.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Many gays fit that "myth", but not all and those others can't be leaders no matter how manly they are. And some straight men (like the one I described earlier) fit the description of being overly feminine/not manly. If it were all about the appearance of being a positive or negative male role model, then you/she would have a point. But one of the main things that shows this isn't the real reason is the very fact that women (a good amount in fact) are scout leaders. They are not going to be "good male role models" when they aren't even men.
    What are you even arguing against here? Someone took offence to maggie claiming that there was a certain subset of male homosexuals who fit the gay/effeminate stereotype to a high degree. My point was that taking such offense to a highly recognizable trend is silly.

    Honestly, I'm always perplexed by how reactionary people get in these discussions. it's like that next era guy accused me of wanting to keep gays out of the scouts, when have only made statements to the contrary


    [/quote]But one of the main things that shows this isn't the real reason is the very fact that women (a good amount in fact) are scout leaders. They are not going to be "good male role models" when they aren't even men. [/quote]

    The only time I ever had female troop leaders was during the cub scouts. Boy scouts and above were always men, and this seemed a pretty uniform trend in the surrounding area.

    Not that I am claiming it doesn't happen, but there seems to be a clear preference for men when approaching adolescence and the teen age years

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But isn't this one of the reasons the BSA exists to begin with, to try to teach boys not to act like assholes to each other?
    without getting into a debate on what the boy scouts is about, what you want to teach children, and what they actually do, are two different things. Just consider all the bullying horror stories that are almost unanimously represented in accounts of the whole English prep-school experiance. Which was much more structured than a weekly scout meeting

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    kids still make fun of these people.
    That's why Neil Patrick Harris is so hated, right?

    Just an FYI, kids can be real dicks
    I know kids can be real dicks.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    While not scientifically proven, the widely accepted conventional wisdom is that the increasing acceptance of homosexuals has been heavily influenced by greater exposure to homosexuals.
    maybe as contributing to some long term trend in over all social perceptions. But until then, if kids find it "different" it's like lord of the flies for the little bastards.

    LOL, let's face it, kids can be horribly cruel to each other.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Might have something to do with how conservatives treat homosexuals. There's nothing about being queer that intrinsically makes a man liberal.
    I don't think there's any truth to that at all but it's not really relevant either.

    Regardless of *why* they're an ultra liberal demographic, they're still an ultra liberal demographic.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    That's why Neil Patrick Harris is so hated, right?
    I think most kids would say, "who the heck is Neil Patrick Harris, move away, your blocking the screen!"

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    That's why Neil Patrick Harris is so hated, right?
    I'm not sure I would associate him with tweens and highschoolers

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not.
    Oh yes it is, citizenship and good conduct are a hallmark of the Scout troops I visited, that doesn't mean there isn't horseplay but not like in any other venue. Scouts should teach character and not every child wants to be subjected to the code of conduct a Scout is taught.

    But there is a huge difference between asshole and horseplay. Scouts should know the difference even if many adults don't...

    Those who don't please google the Scout law....

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So everyone gay is ultra liberal and conservatives ****ting on them, for example until today the BSA, has nothing to do with that? Kids aren't born with a political lean.
    Yeah.

    Every homosexual is ultra liberal.

    Because, ya know, that's what I said.


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