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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree with you. "Openly gay" has some connotations that could turn a boy scout troop into a joke. Unless they're asking the question on forms volunteer leaders are asked to fill out, I have no problem with it at all.
    First, it is the boyscouts choice as a private club to say no based on their criteria. However, from my own opinion it becomes an issue of what people consider openly gay. If you are talking about losing your job because you are in a relationship with a same sex partner on your off hours and not discussing with the boys, but also not hiding when you are on your own free time then I would oppose it. If you are talking about a gay guy who starts discussing relationships in the context of being a scout leader where clearly sexual discussions of any sort are not a part of the scouts operations I could agree with them removing such a person. The reality is that people are not sending their kids to the scouts for dating advice or sexual education, and actually the organization works on a basis that it does not promote or discuss such activities because the children are there for non-relationship activities.

    The one thing i do not agree with, though it is the scouts choice to get rid of them, is banning people based on them being involved in a same sex relationship outside of their scouting responsibilities. They do not look at a straight scout leader who is openly married to a woman and say that their open heterosexual relationship promotes sexual activity that the scouts try to eliminate from their activities. I would have to think that a heterosexual scout leader who walked in and started telling the kids about his weekend in vegas where he was banging this hot chick would be removed from his duties, or at least i would hope that happens. It just becomes about what they consider "open" homosexuality from their scout leaders. In all honesty sexual activity of either nature should not be a part of the actions of a scout leader during the times when they are acting as the scout leader. It is also quite evident by the number of homosexuals who keep their sexual activities separate from their employment that they are very capable overall of not discussing their relationships during work so it is not like the scouts can make the argument it has to be present in their performance of duties in the scouts. Still, it is their choice and I hope some day they recognize that homosexuals can be responsible youth leaders who guide scouts without inserting sexual discussion into their guidance, just like straight people are.

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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree with you. "Openly gay" has some connotations that could turn a boy scout troop into a joke. Unless they're asking the question on forms volunteer leaders are asked to fill out, I have no problem with it at all.
    Openly gay does not have any connotations to it. Why should a gay person have to hide who they are?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    Openly gay does not have any connotations to it. Why should a gay person have to hide who they are?
    I know some gay guys that are "just like everybody else." I also know some gay guys that are flamboyantly gay. You know what I mean. (I don't see this same flamboyance in lesbians at all. It's the flamboyance I'm thinking about. Many moms send their kids to Boy Scouts for the male role models they provide in their leadership. There are some gays who don't model that very well. That's just a fact.

    I'm betting it's a don't-ask/don't-tell policy. It's a private organization....given that, I think they've taken a great first step. And the right one.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I know some gay guys that are "just like everybody else." I also know some gay guys that are flamboyantly gay. You know what I mean. (I don't see this same flamboyance in lesbians at all. It's the flamboyance I'm thinking about. Many moms send their kids to Boy Scouts for the male role models they provide in their leadership. There are some gays who don't model that very well. That's just a fact.

    I'm betting it's a don't-ask/don't-tell policy. It's a private organization....given that, I think they've taken a great first step. And the right one.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

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    Come on, Your Star. You have met these men. Don't be blinded by your own orientation. Be honest.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Great news.

    I never understood the ban. Gay boys can certainly be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.
    yes l agree

    maybe heterosexuals are just jelly
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Come on, Your Star. You have met these men. Don't be blinded by your own orientation. Be honest.
    Assuming an openly gay man is like the stereotype is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    And they give good head.
    I guess if anyone knew, it'd be you, eh?
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    It's an organization that prides itself on upholding tradition. Kind of obvious why it would be initially resistant to social change*.

    *the vast improvements the gay right's movement has made in just the past 10 years is rather astounding in it's pace
    Any tradition the scouts uphold is based on responsibility and personal trust. Never once did I hear about any 'no-gay' tradition.
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    Re: Boy Scouts vote to welcome gay members

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Can you imagine, a bunch of teenagers giving someone flack for being different?

    Besides being a rather common trend in everyone's youth, you might be confusing the reaction from his peers with a ban on participation. The former is not the later, and something the scouts have little control over
    You'd be surprised. Nowadays, teens still use 'gay, 'fag' and 'faggots', but they rarely are intended as gay slurs.

    "you might be confusing the reaction from his peers with a ban on participation."

    Can you clarify this?
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