Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 38 of 38

Thread: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

  1. #31
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Good for them. Hopefully, more muslims will look to these imams as the new religious figureheads rather than the nuts who are in charge now. Islam needs a "renaissance" period and the best way to start it is within.

  2. #32
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,262

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My phrasing was careless and I understand why you misread it. It's all go Bro'.
    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My apologies, the way I read it I thought your intent was to justify hating Muslims because some of them may hate Americans.
    You two need to have a beer summit.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  3. #33
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,262

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Democracy would be a good step towards eliminating that discrimination.
    Good, then you agree with George W Bush.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #34
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    If anyone reading this hates Muslims because they are Muslims, then guess what?

    You ARE either monumentally ignorant AND/OR emotionally disturbed...and most of the world knows it...except you (but they are mostly too polite to tell you to your face).


    Have a nice day.

  5. #35
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Democracy would be a good step towards eliminating that discrimination.
    in all honesty, how?

  6. #36
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    17,986

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Much like what western democracies are struggling with. High apathy, a few corrupting the whole system, and a few fighting against it.
    True, but at a far lesser and more humane degree. We can't get away from corruption. We can only maintain a healthy look out for it. Corruption in the MENA, however, equals slaughter. It's this brand of corruption that has created the violent theme in the civilization and it is exported in the form of cowardly terrorism.

    Simply pointing out that corruption exists in the West also doesn't really address the issue. It's another way for people to avoid it. Almost the entire civilization in the MENA avoiding awkward truths in their societies and cultures is bad enough without intelligent educated civilizations in the West giving them excuses to look away from the mirrors.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  7. #37
    Professor

    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    08-08-13 @ 08:21 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,932

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    It's a nice gesture indeed, considering the awful amount of antisemitism in the muslim community.


    Still, I don't have to hate muslims to dislike Islam. I'm sure many wonderful people would be far better off without it. It's a conviction, what can you do?

  8. #38
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    17,986

    Re: Imams Visit Auschwitz, Nazi Death Camp, Pray For Holocaust Victims

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    in all honesty, how?
    Democracy is the answer to all of their problems. First acknowledge the substantial material problems....

    1) Decreasing fresh water supplies in a region where population is growing.

    2) Economic disaster with unemployment near or over 40% (Aged 15-35 can't afford to get married).

    Now the religious problems....

    1) Islam is fixed in the grasps of radical leaders and all creativity and imagination is suppressed. (between 12 and 150 million radicals within the region).

    2) Islam's emphasis on the Sunni Tribe constantly makes tribal identity a priority in government and in all manners of politics creating resenments, hatreds, corruptions, and slaughter. Voting will give the majority their power, which means the larger tribes within these "Frankenstein's Monster" nations will continue to do what they do. However, there will be far less rage from the tribes towards each other and far less reason to rebel violently against another tribe's dictator.

    3) Half the population is denied to contribute to society (women). No civilization where half their population is denied proper contribution can ever compete with a civilization that employes 100% of its population. The more globalized this world gets, the more inconvenient the situation for the Middle East becomes. This is why Western cultural "intrusion" (Levis and Hollywood banned in Iran, for example) merits a proper defense of Islam for the radicals who think they can turn back the clock or remain fixed in time.

    In historical terms, only democracy has shown the agility to deal with such problems. In the absence of answers, radicals will look for scapegoats and foreign devils to take the blame for what Muslims do to Muslims everyday in the news. Without a healthy avenue of protest (picket signs and elections), people will resort to revolution and violence and eventually terror. Frustrated by the complete inability to exert any discernible degree of control over their immediate circumstances, frustrated adherents of Radical Islam, goaded by Radical Islamic Clerics, will resort to terrorism as the only avenue to effect religious, social, political, and economic change.

    It really is simple....either we find a way to support the affected countries (most of them) in finding their won solutions to these problems or Americans will continue to grow up and fight these problems with violence.

    There have been over 120 democracies created since 1900. They have occurred throughout Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia. Only the Middle East went without democracy thanks to the prescriptions of colonialism and the later Cold War. Months after Iraqis conducted their first successful elections without international (American) troops maintaining security (Sept 2010), Tunisia sparks off the Arab Spring (Dec 2010). One by one Muslim countries in the MENA rebelled against their dictators and chanted "democracy." Even Muslims know that democracy is their best chance to reverse their civilization's path to ultimate failure. They have to take charge of their destinies and this will only happen under democracies.

    Why is it that when it comes to democracy people praise the ability and the health of being able to choose the future (or try to anyway), but it becomes a bad word in relation to Democracy? Is it because people think of Bush and Iraq? It's no reason to deny and pretend it's bad for the Middle East, especially with it being what the rest of the world has and is doing. There is another problem though. Lebanon tried democracy and created proper representation from the tribes into a working government after WWII. They ultimately failed into civil war, which may have far more to do with the fact that it is yet another Frankenstein's Monster creation and marks a deeper trouble that democracy can't fix. Witness Iraq, where democracy exists. The population is carved into three distinct tribes and is the source of historical hatred that needs sorted out. In terms of nation, Iraq should be three separate countries. Of course, if Islam was healthier and was more tribal friendly and accepting, the Shia, Sunni, and the Kurds wouldn't seek blood as often as they do to settle scores that have nothing to do with modern times.

    So there appears to be plenty of problems underneath the terrorism and slaughter. Democracy is the only bumpy path left untested. What does democracy offer? Creativity, economic freedom, religious flexibility, political outlets, healthier media, answerable leaders who worry about election time and therefore have a reason to do what they are supposed to (at least appear to do so).
    Last edited by MSgt; 06-04-13 at 04:48 PM.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •