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    I dont think I said anything about WWII terrorist attacks.
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    Yeah they are ... and WWII as terrorist attack is not one.
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    Sometimes Obama supporters just repeat silly things they heard, sometimes they say troll-like things to occupy your time, sometimes they're just fanboys and that's that, & sometimes they actually might believe the things they say ... I worry about that last group the most.
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    that is exactly why I said I think it might be changed after the courts martial. Right now it is for sure workplace violence. I am all for the injured people getting purple hearts, etc. and hope they do. The right in its mindless war on political correctness and calling everything terrorism just refuses to think about anything. A half decent defense attorney, and yes defendants really do have rights with a general courts-martial, could possibly attempt to use the military's prejudice of calling it terrorism as some form of defense. I am not an attorney but I did stay in a Holiday Inn express once. Right now the inarguably correct term is workplace violence.
    Once this nut is convicted, I doubt that there is any chance that the label will be changed. The label is there because it fits the agenda. Barry wants people to believe that he has the terror situation under control. But unless you consider all of Ft Hood his workplace, and all army personnel his coworkers, workplace violence is a stretch. I question whether the army even has a workplace violence category.

    I think about lots of things, unlike your generalization, and when someone shoots random people while shouting religious slogans, I'm going with terrorism.

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    Lets see, he is an Army Major, on an Army post, shooting Army personnel. Of course it is not work place violence, it is just Obama making the Army use politically correct terms to fit the agenda. At some point (long ago) this right wing anti PC stuff went crazy. The Army used an exactly correct term.
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    Once this nut is convicted, I doubt that there is any chance that the label will be changed. The label is there because it fits the agenda. Barry wants people to believe that he has the terror situation under control. But unless you consider all of Ft Hood his workplace, and all army personnel his coworkers, workplace violence is a stretch. I question whether the army even has a workplace violence category.

    I think about lots of things, unlike your generalization, and when someone shoots random people while shouting religious slogans, I'm going with terrorism.
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    Re: Fort Hood Suspect Wants to Represent Himself.....AP Newswire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    that is exactly why I said I think it might be changed after the courts martial. Right now it is for sure workplace violence. I am all for the injured people getting purple hearts, etc. and hope they do. The right in its mindless war on political correctness and calling everything terrorism just refuses to think about anything. A half decent defense attorney, and yes defendants really do have rights with a general courts-martial, could possibly attempt to use the military's prejudice of calling it terrorism as some form of defense. I am not an attorney but I did stay in a Holiday Inn express once. Right now the inarguably correct term is workplace violence.
    Have we really stepped back and considered why there even is such a criminal designation as "Terrorist Act"? We have laws that cover what this jamoke did without having to label it terrorist, workplace violence or anything else. Do we abridge someone's rights when something is classified "Terrorist Act"? Or does roadkill by any other smell better or worse?

    Really, it's something we should think about. Many of us don't like the "hate crime" designation. Why should it matter to the survivors if it's workplace violence or terrorism? Why should their compensation be different?

    That's probably the upshot of the question -- it's premeditated murder. Why should it matter (except to the soldiers wounded). And why should their compensation be different? The military will no doubt determine and prove his motives at trial.

    PS: It's always been my understanding that the Purple Heart has been horribly cheapened by awarding it to soldiers who hurt their backs lifting a package. Has that changed?
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    As far as I know at this point it dont make a damn bit of differece what you call it. I think that is why the officicals stuck with the inarguably correct terminology. My understand is for the Purple Heart blood has to be drawn by enemy fire. So if you drop something on your foot during combat you dont get one, if you get nicked by a richoet in battle you do.
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    Have we really stepped back and considered why there even is such a criminal designation as "Terrorist Act"? We have laws that cover what this jamoke did without having to label it terrorist, workplace violence or anything else. Do we abridge someone's rights when something is classified "Terrorist Act"? Or does roadkill by any other smell better or worse?

    Really, it's something we should think about. Many of us don't like the "hate crime" designation. Why should it matter to the survivors if it's workplace violence or terrorism? Why should their compensation be different?

    That's probably the upshot of the question -- it's premeditated murder. Why should it matter (except to the soldiers wounded). And why should their compensation be different? The military will no doubt determine and prove his motives at trial.

    PS: It's always been my understanding that the Purple Heart has been horribly cheapened by awarding it to soldiers who hurt their backs lifting a package. Has that changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Lets see, he is an Army Major, on an Army post, shooting Army personnel. Of course it is not work place violence, it is just Obama making the Army use politically correct terms to fit the agenda. At some point (long ago) this right wing anti PC stuff went crazy. The Army used an exactly correct term.
    It's just that this is a legal challenge. Yes, this was "workplace violence," but it was also treason and a terrorist act inspired by Anwar al-Awlaki.

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    Fine. I am sure you are exactly right, except for the allegation of treason is terribly difficult to prove and I am not sure he was even charged with that. I am anti death penalty but secretly I wont be too mad if the Major gets it. I dont think any thinking person will think a bit differently about this incident wehter you call it terrorism or workplace violence or whatever. I dont think it has a damn thing to do with any supposed agenda, it just give the right wing noise machine more noise.
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    It's just that this is a legal challenge. Yes, this was "workplace violence," but it was also treason and a terrorist act inspired by Anwar al-Awlaki.
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    Re: Fort Hood Suspect Wants to Represent Himself.....AP Newswire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Fine. I am sure you are exactly right, except for the allegation of treason is terribly difficult to prove and I am not sure he was even charged with that. I am anti death penalty but secretly I wont be too mad if the Major gets it. I dont think any thinking person will think a bit differently about this incident wehter you call it terrorism or workplace violence or whatever. I dont think it has a damn thing to do with any supposed agenda, it just give the right wing noise machine more noise.
    IMO, Not really.....for a crime there is a motive, the purpose. Here we have nothing but the Purpose of the Major and his Own actions and attempts to contact AQ and al Awlaki. While his motive was to go out like a martyr all in the Good name of AQ and their alleged version of Islam.

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    Are you saying it would not be hard to prove terrorism?
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    IMO, Not really.....for a crime there is a motive, the purpose. Here we have nothing but the Purpose of the Major and his Own actions and attempts to contact AQ and al Awlaki. While his motive was to go out like a martyr all in the Good name of AQ and their alleged version of Islam.
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