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U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

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rocket88 said:
U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations - The Washington Post

Another bad attempt to distract from Benghazi, no doubt. "Don't look at this bad thing, look at this bad thing!"

Or maybe he's trying to distract us from his use of the secret weather machine to wipe Moore off the map.
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The problem I have with this is the same problem when Bush was doing the same thing, but on a much smaller scale. I do not trust the government to be judge, jury, and executioner, based on it's word alone. It's a long slippery slope from taking out American citizens who are "suspected" criminals to taking out those who disagree with the government. There is a reason due process is in the Constitution, and it has everything to do with government abusing it's powers. When Obama ran for office in 2008, he said he would put an end to these abuses. Instead, he became Bush on steroids, and has done things that Bush would not even have dreamed about.

Screw the Bengazi witch hunt, and screw all the other fake scandals Republicans are attempting to invent. Obama should be impeached for the violations of the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold. The minute Republicans stop making up bullcrap for political points, and actually go after Obama for his abuse of power, I will join them in nanoseconds, and the GOP will have my full support.
 
danarhea said:
The problem I have with this is the same problem when Bush was doing the same thing, but on a much smaller scale. I do not trust the government to be judge, jury, and executioner, based on it's word alone. It's a long slippery slope from taking out American citizens who are "suspected" criminals to taking out those who disagree with the government. There is a reason due process is in the Constitution, and it has everything to do with government abusing it's powers. When Obama ran for office in 2008, he said he would put an end to these abuses. Instead, he became Bush on steroids, and has done things that Bush would not even have dreamed about.

Screw the Bengazi witch hunt, and screw all the other fake scandals Republicans are attempting to invent. Obama should be impeached for the violations of the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold. The minute Republicans stop making up bullcrap for political points, and actually go after Obama for his abuse of power, I will join them in nanoseconds, and the GOP will have my full support.
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I don't think they are fake scandals, but I do agree that Obama has violated the Constitution and needs to be held responsible.
 
One of the scariest things about having a Democrat in the WH is that Republicans will applaud when he abuses his war powers and the Democrats will look the other way.
 
Geoist said:
One of the scariest things about having a Democrat in the WH is that Republicans will applaud when he abuses his war powers and the Democrats will look the other way.
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What powers are conservatives applauding?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
What powers are conservatives applauding?
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The ones associated with the Unitary Executive, a notion they advanced during the Bush years. Remember John Yoo and Alberto Gonzalez?

Though they are not really applauding it. They are simply not condemning it. They condone it by their silence.
 
rocket88 said:
U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations - The Washington Post

Another bad attempt to distract from Benghazi, no doubt. "Don't look at this bad thing, look at this bad thing!"

Or maybe he's trying to distract us from his use of the secret weather machine to wipe Moore off the map.
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What, are you guys still on about Benghazi despite most of the talking points being debunked and being busted for altering emails to "prove" a point? HAHAH, gezz.

As for this story... well the Bush administration killed 4000 Americans in Iraq so.. it is not exactly unheard off. Not to mention the thousands each month that are killed by police in the US... technically that is also the US killing Americans. Oh dont forget those on death row..
 
PeteEU said:
What, are you guys still on about Benghazi despite most of the talking points being debunked and being busted for altering emails to "prove" a point? HAHAH, gezz.

As for this story... well the Bush administration killed 4000 Americans in Iraq so.. it is not exactly unheard off. Not to mention the thousands each month that are killed by police in the US... technically that is also the US killing Americans. Oh dont forget those on death row..
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I love it when I'm not "Liberal enough." You're worse than the Cons. They see the word "Bush" and go into a tizzy. You see "Benghazi" and do the same thing. Yet not one of you can actually read in context....
 
rocket88 said:
I love it when I'm not "Liberal enough." You're worse than the Cons. They see the word "Bush" and go into a tizzy. You see "Benghazi" and do the same thing. Yet not one of you can actually read in context....
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Come on... Benghazi has not only been debunked but it was never ever a scandal... a **** up with miss-communication maybe, but nothing more.

Fact is there was 8 times more American's killed at US embassies/consuls/diplomatic missions under Bush... why were the very same right wingers not grilling Bush and his people on that and demanding their head on a platter?

That when Obama uses drones that kills or targets Americans then it is all "OMFG" but when Bush used drones that killed or targeted Americans.. then it was /shrug and even hidden? And yes you can not tell me that under Bush, that not one American got killed by a drone attack anywhere in the world...So many people have dual citizenship in the middle east with one being American, that the chances an American got hit somewhere... is huge.

Fact is that the American government has targeted its own citizens for whatever reason since the dawn of the Republic, so it should come as no shock that it happens under Obama or under the next president Clinton.

This is just another anti-Obama hysterics story pure and simple.
 
danarhea said:
Screw the Bengazi witch hunt, and screw all the other fake scandals Republicans are attempting to invent. Obama should be impeached for the violations of the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold. The minute Republicans stop making up bullcrap for political points, and actually go after Obama for his abuse of power, I will join them in nanoseconds, and the GOP will have my full support.
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You think dumbasses who (re)elected Adolph Obama suddenly give a rat's ass about the constitution?
 
vendur said:
You think dumbasses who (re)elected Adolph Obama suddenly give a rat's ass about the constitution?
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Probably about as much as the ones that voted for Romney. Neither party likes the Constitution when it gets in their way.
 
PeteEU said:
Come on... Benghazi has not only been debunked but it was never ever a scandal... a **** up with miss-communication maybe, but nothing more.

Fact is there was 8 times more American's killed at US embassies/consuls/diplomatic missions under Bush... why were the very same right wingers not grilling Bush and his people on that and demanding their head on a platter?

That when Obama uses drones that kills or targets Americans then it is all "OMFG" but when Bush used drones that killed or targeted Americans.. then it was /shrug and even hidden? And yes you can not tell me that under Bush, that not one American got killed by a drone attack anywhere in the world...So many people have dual citizenship in the middle east with one being American, that the chances an American got hit somewhere... is huge.

Fact is that the American government has targeted its own citizens for whatever reason since the dawn of the Republic, so it should come as no shock that it happens under Obama or under the next president Clinton.

This is just another anti-Obama hysterics story pure and simple.
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Lets put it this way - I agree that Benghazi is a lot of smoke and not much fire. It was a complete ****-up but not a crime.

I'm on the fence about the drones. If an American citizen is in a foreign nation and colluding with terrorists, it doesn't bother me. But frankly we're a hop, skip and a jump away from using them domestically. I don't care which party the President is at that point, it's wrong. I was uneasy about it when Bush was President, and I'm uneasy about it now, and frankly the left was all "OMFG" when Bush did it, and now is looking the other way.

Wrong then, wrong now, and frankly both major parties are on the same side of the issue.
 
rocket88 said:
Probably about as much as the ones that voted for Romney. Neither party likes the Constitution when it gets in their way.
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"Probably" as much as the ones who voted for Romney? What evidence do you have for any of that?
 
rocket88 said:
Lets put it this way - I agree that Benghazi is a lot of smoke and not much fire. It was a complete ****-up but not a crime.

I'm on the fence about the drones. If an American citizen is in a foreign nation and colluding with terrorists, it doesn't bother me. But frankly we're a hop, skip and a jump away from using them domestically. I don't care which party the President is at that point, it's wrong. I was uneasy about it when Bush was President, and I'm uneasy about it now, and frankly the left was all "OMFG" when Bush did it, and now is looking the other way.

Wrong then, wrong now, and frankly both major parties are on the same side of the issue.
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I am way more than uneasy about it--I strenuously object to such criminal actions. Murder is a crime. Indictment and trial, due process, essentially forgives the murder charge.

Neither Bush nor Obama have chosen the due process path in their murders. That's why Bush et al were convicted in absentia, in Malaysia, in accordance with international law. That's why travelling out of the country is no longer convenient for Dubya and a few others.

This was all explained by Francis Boyle in an interview on WHDT and Next News Network.

Sitting presidents are immune from being charged at the time, but after he leaves office Obama will be in the same boat as Bush--a convicted war criminal.
 
Grant said:
"Probably" as much as the ones who voted for Romney? What evidence do you have for any of that?
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I understand that in your little world of "Republicans good, Democrats bad" the Republicans are never gulity of anything wrong. Historically, however, both parties have shown the willingness to wipe their ass with the Constitution when it gets in their way.
 
rocket88 said:
I understand that in your little world of "Republicans good, Democrats bad" the Republicans are never gulity of anything wrong.
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That's quite incorrect. When I make a charge against any person or group of people I try to have some evidence to support the claim. You have none.

Historically, however, both parties have shown the willingness to wipe their ass with the Constitution when it gets in their way.
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Again, point to some evidence rather than making wild accusations in order to dismiss any allegations you feel might be questionable..
 
Sounds like four Americans who forfitted their constitutional rights when they chose to fight with a foreign force hostile to the United States.
 
apdst said:
Sounds like four Americans who forfitted their constitutional rights when they chose to fight with a foreign force hostile to the United States.
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Was it fighting, or just talking?

Maybe an uppity muslim?
 
Henry David said:
Was it fighting, or just talking?

Maybe an uppity muslim?
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It doesn't matter if they were cooking red beans and rice, they were still serving with a foreign force that is hostile to The United States.
 
apdst said:
It doesn't matter if they were cooking red beans and rice, they were still serving with a foreign force that is hostile to The United States.
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Well, considering that AQ has been tight with CIA for decades, and that Colin Powell delivered a check for $40 some odd million to the Taliban in April 2001, which foreign force are you talking about? These days, pretty much all of them are hostile to the US. Of those that aren't working for us, they are probably all hostile.
 
Henry David said:
Well, considering that AQ has been tight with CIA for decades, and that Colin Powell delivered a check for $40 some odd million to the Taliban in April 2001, which foreign force are you talking about? These days, pretty much all of them are hostile to the US. Of those that aren't working for us, they are probably all hostile.
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AQ and CIA are in cahoots? :lamo

What's next? 9/11 was an inside job?
 
apdst said:
Sounds like four Americans who forfitted their constitutional rights when they chose to fight with a foreign force hostile to the United States.
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Nope, they didn't give up anything. It's the burden of the US Government to prove their guilty in a court of law. Might want to read the constitution. It all cases the US Government refused to take it court to strip their citizenship. ;)
 
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