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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You are familiar with strict scrutiny, right?
    Yes.

    Where in the document does it say the state can deny a right IF it can demonstrate a compelling reason for doing so?

    What is due process, and why do we need it? Is it an option? If so, by what authority?

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes.
    If you know what strict scrutiny is then I'm surprised you're asking the below question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Where in the document does it say the state can deny a right IF it can demonstrate a compelling reason for doing so?
    The letter of the Constitution is not all that matters.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    If you know what strict scrutiny is then I'm surprised you're asking the below question.



    The letter of the Constitution is not all that matters.
    The spirit of the law gives life, while the letter of the law brings death.

    Yes, I agree that the letter is not all that matters. I appreciate the straight answer--it's a sign of the strength of your position.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    The saddest thing is the realization that America had a more emotional response to The Red Wedding than they did to this news story.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't believe it does violate the Constitution. As I have previously pointed out; the State can restrict or deny any right so long as it can demonstrate a compelling State interest in doing so.
    Where in the Constitution does it say that? Every US citizen is entitled to fair treatment and trial by our State. Who did they demonstrate compelling reasoning to?
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Example?
    They have remained silent for most part over NDAA. They have also applauded or remained silent over the execution of US citizens without trial.
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    This, combined with today's news about the FISA warrants, shows how completely out of control the government is.

    ACLU and others have been warning about this since the fraudulent war on terror began. The chickens have come home to roost, and the average american does not even care.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The saddest thing is the realization that America had a more emotional response to The Red Wedding than they did to this news story.
    What is also sad is that few know or care about the REAL Red Weddings
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Where in the Constitution does it say that? Every US citizen is entitled to fair treatment and trial by our State. Who did they demonstrate compelling reasoning to?
    As I mentioned before, the letter of the Constitution is not all that matters. We already know that rights are not absolute and we know there is a process of vetting laws which restrict and create exceptions to them. Everyone should also know that no law or action on the part of the State is subject to strict scrutiny before their implementation; only after. This policy has already been subjected to judicial review and we had a taste of what the response from a court asserting jurisdiction would be: "All U.S. citizens may avail themselves of the U.S. judicial system if they present themselves peacefully, and no U.S. citizen may simultaneously avail himself of the U.S. judicial system and evade law enforcement authorities."

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    As I mentioned before, the letter of the Constitution is not all that matters.
    If it is an act that clearly violates the Constitution THEN the Constitution does matter. There is no point in having a law if you are not going to enforce it.
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