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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well, considering that AQ has been tight with CIA for decades, and that Colin Powell delivered a check for $40 some odd million to the Taliban in April 2001, which foreign force are you talking about? These days, pretty much all of them are hostile to the US. Of those that aren't working for us, they are probably all hostile.
    AQ and CIA are in cahoots?

    What's next? 9/11 was an inside job?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    AQ and CIA are in cahoots?

    What's next? 9/11 was an inside job?
    Totally. You are quite perceptive!

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Totally. You are quite perceptive!
    Uh-oh! Trufer alert!!!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds like four Americans who forfitted their constitutional rights when they chose to fight with a foreign force hostile to the United States.
    Nope, they didn't give up anything. It's the burden of the US Government to prove their guilty in a court of law. Might want to read the constitution. It all cases the US Government refused to take it court to strip their citizenship.
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Uh-oh! Trufer alert!!!!
    Be afwaid, vewwy afwaid! The troof is quite threatening to some....

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    What powers are conservatives applauding?
    They have either applauded or remained silent over violating the Constitution with the killing of US citizens.
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    They have either applauded or remained silent over violating the Constitution with the killing of US citizens.
    I don't believe it does violate the Constitution. As I have previously pointed out; the State can restrict or deny any right so long as it can demonstrate a compelling State interest in doing so. That is a pretty high standard, but I think the State interest in defending the nation from terrorists roaming and plotting freely meets that criteria. I also think the fact that the actions required to provide due process in these situations constitutes an undue, and frankly unacceptable, burden also works in the State's favor. This practice would undoubtedly be upheld. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be greater oversight and judicial review of each case. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court rejected the practice of trial in absentia as unconstitutional without exception or I would strongly support that option.

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't believe it does violate the Constitution. As I have previously pointed out; the State can restrict or deny any right so long as it can demonstrate a compelling State interest in doing so. That is a pretty high standard, but I think the State interest in defending the nation from terrorists roaming and plotting freely meets that criteria. I also think the fact that the actions required to provide due process in these situations constitutes an undue, and frankly unacceptable, burden also works in the State's favor. This practice would undoubtedly be upheld. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be greater oversight and judicial review of each case. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court rejected the practice of trial in absentia as unconstitutional without exception or I would strongly support that option.
    Where in the document does it say the state can deny a right IF it can demonstrate a "compelling" reason for doing so?

    What compelling purpose has the government put forth? What the hell is due process, and why do we need it?

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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    They have either applauded or remained silent over violating the Constitution with the killing of US citizens.
    Example?
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    Re: U.S. acknowledges killing of four U.S. citizens in counterterrorism operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Where in the document does it say the state can deny a right IF it can demonstrate a "compelling" reason for doing so?
    You are familiar with strict scrutiny, right?

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