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'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Jack Hays said:
The UK immigrants are the backwash of empire.:cool:
Good evening, Bonz.:2wave:
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Good evening. Definitely. Though the potential cheap labor source I'm sure was on many peoples wish list.....................
 
Bonzai said:
Good evening. Definitely. Though the potential cheap labor source I'm sure was on many peoples wish list.....................
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Quite right. It was done in order to maintain the social programs Leftists introduced a generation or two ago because the existing population couldn't afford them. They sold their culture for seeming security, and other countries have been doing the same.
 
Grant said:
Quite right. It was done in order to maintain the social programs Leftists introduced a generation or two ago because the existing population couldn't afford them. They sold their culture for seeming security, and other countries have been doing the same.
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No matter what.

Whatever the problems of a society might actually be.

You will always find a way to twist it back to three scapegoats:

1. Muslims.

2. Multiculturalism.

3. Welfare.

Your classic go to for "Here's the problem" (even if it's not).

You used it against Newfoundlanders for god sake.

Some of the hardest working people in Confederation for crying out loud!
 
apdst said:
IOW, anyone whom you disagree with, "push and advocate hate"? Can you possibly see the foolishness in that statement?
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No.

But people who push and advocate hate push and advocate hate.
 
Bonzai said:
Good evening. Definitely. Though the potential cheap labor source I'm sure was on many peoples wish list.....................
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I'm not sure Labor governments and the Trades Union Council would have had cheap labor as a goal.:cool:
 
Jetboogieman said:
No matter what.

Whatever the problems of a society might actually be.

You will always find a way to twist it back to three scapegoats:

1. Muslims.

2. Multiculturalism.

3. Welfare.

Your classic go to for "Here's the problem" (even if it's not).

You used it against Newfoundlanders for god sake.

Some of the hardest working people in Confederation for crying out loud!
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the same can be said about your constant apologism and blatant ignoring of contrary evidence: same coin, different sides
 
Grant said:
Quite right. It was done in order to maintain the social programs Leftists introduced a generation or two ago because the existing population couldn't afford them. They sold their culture for seeming security, and other countries have been doing the same.
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And big business reaping the benefits of dirt cheap labor and the undermining of the unions in both countries was just an unforeseen consequence of these socalled "Liberal" policies ? .................wow, just wow....................
 
VanceMack said:
I dont. I wouldnt bring her up in the discussion.
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My point--and where this all started from--was that it is better to understand why the enemy hates and try to attack the root causes rather than act aggressively without thought. This is why I pointed out the doc., The Fog of War, because McNamara listed 11 mistakes that he made during the Vietnam era and one of the biggest was he did not understand the enemy.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not sure Labor governments and the Trades Union Council would have had cheap labor as a goal.:cool:
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Contrary to popular myth, the Liberal parties in both Britain and the US have essentially been conservativelite since Thatcher/Reagan...........................
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
did you see the quote in context?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-machete-attack-latest-22.html#post1061845188

also, has Malkin ever even advocated violence against anyone. I mean, if you're going to draw parallels between OBJ and various other Islamic extremists, the least you could do is cite her advocating actual violence
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Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh have all--at times--spewed a lot of hate. We are victims of propaganda, like others in other parts of the world.
 
Middleground said:
Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh have all--at times--spewed a lot of hate.
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Again, please cite them advocating violence, if you want to even make a somewhat legitimate comparison to islamic extremists.


We are victims of propaganda, like others in other parts of the world.
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you might be a victim of propaganda, but please don't project your failings onto others.
 
apdst said:
Especially Conservatives. Right?
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I would say the Conservative agenda to turn Americans into raving lunatic haters of unions has been 100% successful. Haters of queers---About 50 % successful. Haters of little brown people-----------Maybe 45%....................
 
Bonzai said:
Contrary to popular myth, the Liberal parties in both Britain and the US have essentially been conservativelite since Thatcher/Reagan...........................
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Maybe so, but the most immigration was before that. When Labor was Labor.:mrgreen:
 
Jack Hays said:
Maybe so, but the most immigration was before that. When Labor was Labor.:mrgreen:
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No. There was a very sizeble immigration in the 50's and 60's, but the numbers exploded in the late 80's early 90's.....................
 
Bonzai said:
And big business reaping the benefits of dirt cheap labor and the undermining of the unions in both countries was just an unforeseen consequence of these socalled "Liberal" policies ? .................wow, just wow....................
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Which big business are you referring to and how does it relate to Islamic terrorism?
 
Middleground said:
My point--and where this all started from--was that it is better to understand why the enemy hates and try to attack the root causes rather than act aggressively without thought. This is why I pointed out the doc., The Fog of War, because McNamara listed 11 mistakes that he made during the Vietnam era and one of the biggest was he did not understand the enemy.
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As 'the enemy' has been hating Kafirs for quite some time now, and in a variety of cultures and countries, what do you think these 'root causes' might be apart from radical Islam itself?

Others understand the enemy quite well but it is apparently 'hate speech' to point out why they are the enemy..
 
Middleground said:
Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh have all--at times--spewed a lot of hate. We are victims of propaganda, like others in other parts of the world.
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On the other hand perhaps it was the those who beheaded the victim who were victims of propaganda. What do you think?
 
Bonzai said:
I would say the Conservative agenda to turn Americans into raving lunatic haters of unions has been 100% successful. Haters of queers---About 50 % successful. Haters of little brown people-----------Maybe 45%....................
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"Queers"? "Little brown people"?

What's the matter with you?
 
Bonzai said:
No. There was a very sizeble immigration in the 50's and 60's, but the numbers exploded in the late 80's early 90's.....................
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Well, no. Significant barriers to Commonwealth immigration were put in place in 1972 and they reduced the flow.:cool:
 
Bonzai said:
Because, you, of course, are so PC.............................
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Whether I am or not is no excuse for using those terms. Middleground would probably call that hate speech, and they are terms Michelle Malkin herself would never use..
 
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