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'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

PeteEU said:
The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
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Stop being stupid. He didn't recite the Lord's prayer while killing those children, nor was Christianity any part of his reasoning for the attack.
 
Fenton said:
There is no comparison between religions.

Even without the terror attacks the Muslim religion subjegates woman on a international scale, is anti democratic and anti-freedom...unless your'e a man that is.
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So is the United States.

The attacks against women that happen in places like Saudi Arabia on a daily basis are never counted.
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You mean our "Great Ally" Saudi Arabia? The one we rushed in to save from a secular ruler?

So post some obscure irrelevent data to try and push the false Narrative that " all religions have terrorist in theit midst".

It's just not true.
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Yes it is.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But is it true that a large part of Indonesia's population Islamic? You never hear unrest coming from there? Are they more accepting of secularism, or is it somthing different.

Islam is the second largest religious faith and I don't believe all Muslims live the Middle East.
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Sure. But even if we use Indonesia as a template that anecdote doesn't really hold up in terms of some of the generalizing points I'm trying to make. Indonesia is different from Saudi Arabia no question, but Indonesia for all of its advances with democracy is still plagued by the problems we are talking about, and I believe it is for the reasons I mentioned.
 
PeteEU said:
The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
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So when one of your family members rapes a kid, he is doing it in your family name because you all share the family name? Holy crap..your effort to wipe away the **** stain of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism by correlation is amazing. When you have to play "6 degrees from Kevin Bacon" to draw a connection to "Christian terrorism", maybe you ought to try a new tactic.
 
PeteEU said:
The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
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No, he was a Christian who converted to Islam.
 
Texmex said:
I'm not tough, just armed. I don't get into confrontations, I avoid them. However, if someone were going to attack me with a meat cleaver, I'd bet money on my 45 Auto over his blade every time.

Why does simply being able to protect myself seem so foreign to you?
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Not many meat cleaver attacks in places where handguns are easy to come by, though. "Bring a knife to a gunfight" is just a punchline to a bad joke, not something that happens much.
 
VanceMack said:
Some people are born into radical environments. Some people also choose to become radicalized. Non muslims join up the great and glorious cause and go to the ME to engage in Jihad (and not just poor underprivileged starving people). Radicalism...extremism...its a movement. Its a movement that is fairly overt. Turning a blind eye to the overt flamethrowing fundamentalists in your back yard (as in what is happening in England or for that matter in Boston a month ago) does not resolve the problems...it FEEDS the problems.
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Who wants to turn a blind eye?

The extremist is an asshole looking for a cause to land on. Perhaps when that vast majority of Muslims and all the rest of the world reaches a point where they are all committed to targeting and eliminating the extremists people will stop seeing it as an option or will at least go back to hiding in their caves. The asshole in question did it on the streets of England. Think about WHAT he did for a second and you will get a feel for who exactly you are dealing with. Sawing a mans head off with a machete is not a quick clean process. You have to be actively engaged in that work. That should speak volumes as to who you are dealing with. And before we rush to 'understand' their upset over British and American tropps in the ME, lets not forget these are the same people that wrap primer chord around the heads of school children, that rape and behead entire families in India, that hang and burn gay youths in Iran, that slaughter 12 young ...
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For ****'s sake, Vance, as I have said before... we have radical regulars here at DP, let alone at least one who's a regular on Fox News. Think Michelle Malkin fits the extremist profile?

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Get the picture? The excuse of US and British presence in the ME is just this weeks excuse and nothing more.
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Right. But in the eyes of the Iraqi father who lost a daughter and/or son and/or wife to American bombs, you think he'd feel all warm and fuzzy towards America?
 
Some guy was beheaded, this is a disgusting murder but why does it need to turn into an attack on Islam? Yes, there is extremism in Islam and some extremist groups exist that have a number of adherents who believe in killing others and this does need to be addressed. However, let's address the extremist groups and not make a broad judgement call against the entire religion and those who practice it.

I also like how these typically devolve into a "well Christians are bad" and "A Christian did this and it's worse" or "the Christian faith is..." Has anyone brought up the Crusades yet or cherry picked things from the OT? Seriously, why can't issues be discussed without the topic of discussion turning into a compare and contrast between 2 different religions or broad judgements against everyone in a religion.
 
digsbe said:
Some guy was beheaded, this is a disgusting murder but why does it need to turn into an attack on Islam? Yes, there is extremism in Islam and some extremist groups exist that have a number of adherents who believe in killing others and this does need to be addressed. However, let's address the extremist groups and not make a broad judgement call against the entire religion and those who practice it.

I also like how these typically devolve into a "well Christians are bad" and "A Christian did this and it's worse" or "the Christian faith is..." Has anyone brought up the Crusades yet or cherry picked things from the OT? Seriously, why can't issues be discussed without the topic of discussion turning into a compare and contrast between 2 different religions or broad judgements against everyone in a religion.
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lots of likes....
 
Erod said:
London will ultimately be the proving ground for the Muslim/Islamist radical blame game for terrorism.

In 10-20 years, Muslims will outnumber Christians and Whites in the U.K. Then, we'll see. Will the Islamic community step forward and defend Christians, Hindus, etc, and the white English community?
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is there such an elite group in this world ?
 
l always thank god for giving me enough mind to think



the most important thing......
 
Deuce said:
When a Muslim commits an atrocity, Islam is to blame.
When anyone else does it, they're just nuts.
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Well, when a guy is citing religous ideals and views to justify his crime, it seems only natural that one would identify religion as a motivating factor. It's like if this guy was a nazi and started shouting pro-nazi slogans, I am sure you would have no issue drawing a connection to that failed ideology. hell, I am almost sure you would do the same if we were discussing a christian.

But just because you perceive the guy as a minority, and islam as a hapless victim of the west, you want to ignore it as a motivating factor here. You're almost as bad as the ****s who identify this guy with all muslims
 
Middleground said:
Who wants to turn a blind eye?



For ****'s sake, Vance, as I have said before... we have radical regulars here at DP, let alone at least one who's a regular on Fox News. Think Michelle Malkin fits the extremist profile?

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Right. But in the eyes of the Iraqi father who lost a daughter and/or son and/or wife to American bombs, you think he'd feel all warm and fuzzy towards America?
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She fits the asshole profile. Is she advocating for the slaughter of random individuals in the glorious cause of something? If not, then no...it isnt remotely the same thing. Michelle Malkin is no different than the abundance of people on this site that will take any incident and tragedy and turn it into an attack on the Dems or Republicans or George Bush or Obama. Tornado...Oh look...its Bush's fault and global warming. Tornado...oh look...Obama caused it to take the emphasis off the scandals.

Point...the people in question here are not reasonable. They arent anyones friends. They excuse and justify their brutality but thats all it is...an excuse to be brutal. They slaughter children and blame it on Christians. They slaughter rape victims. They are extremist fundamentalists. This thread is the perfect example of why they win. The incident that occurred was raised. The ONLY proper response would have been for every single person that responded to this thread to have immediately condemned and called for the immediate trial and execution of those demented ****s, no questions, no excuse or quarter given. Instead you have people blaming any and every one but the individuals, trying to correlate their actions and behaviors to others, etc etc etc. If society cant get united against ****heads like the ones that committed this crime and take a hardline stance against this...then it will simply continue. Yesterday...some secluded room in Yemen and a journalist or contractor truck driver. Today...London. Tomorrow?
 
Red_Dave said:
If you watch the video theres quite a lot of politics involved in the diatribe also.
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fundamentalist and radical strains of islam tend to be political in nature
 
Deuce said:
About as relevant as the number of murders committed by people who call themselves Christian. When it comes to bad people doing bad things, which book they claim to have read isn't important. People convince themselves their violence is righteous, and then they go find words to justify it. Not the other way around.
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you seem to trying to confuse someone committing a crime, while merely being a member of some organization, and committing a crime in the name of that organization



in the end, violence is a result of numerous social and economic issues.
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so the holocaust had no connection to nazi ideology?
 
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Medusa said:
and they are called " ideology " ,not religion
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religion is an ideology, especially politically charged religions.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Your average Muslim has nothing to do with what this guy did, or what some fundamentalist asshole does anywhere else.
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actually, you're average muslim might likely be a "fundamentalist asshole". It's very mainstream in the islamic world, the same with support for radical groups. Though the later represents a clear minority
 
PeteEU said:
LOL so you think that it is only terror if they say "praise jesus" or the Muslim equivalent? Get a grip and wake up.
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no, but if you are going to claim it as religiously motivated violence, there should be some connection to religion, and some basis for claiming such as the motivation
 
Tettsuo said:
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No one yelled "In the name of Christ!" when these acts were committed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a Christian attack.

Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism. It's not a solely Islamic thing. It's the radicalization and ignorance that pushes often benign beliefs into something horribly evil.
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so you have 28 such attacks in 20 years, all of them seemingly not involving violence (the last one seems more vandalism?). Do you really want to draw a comparison between that and those involving islamic extremism?



Look, probably the majority here can agree that all muslims are not terrorists, and likely find people like Sgt Rock vile, but you're just taking it to the other moronic end of the spectrum here
 
VanceMack said:
She fits the asshole profile. Is she advocating for the slaughter of random individuals in the glorious cause of something? If not, then no...it isnt remotely the same thing. Michelle Malkin is no different than the abundance of people on this site that will take any incident and tragedy and turn it into an attack on the Dems or Republicans or George Bush or Obama. Tornado...Oh look...its Bush's fault and global warming. Tornado...oh look...Obama caused it to take the emphasis off the scandals.

Point...the people in question here are not reasonable. They arent anyones friends. They excuse and justify their brutality but thats all it is...an excuse to be brutal. They slaughter children and blame it on Christians. They slaughter rape victims. They are extremist fundamentalists. This thread is the perfect example of why they win. The incident that occurred was raised. The ONLY proper response would have been for every single person that responded to this thread to have immediately condemned and called for the immediate trial and execution of those demented ****s, no questions, no excuse or quarter given. Instead you have people blaming any and every one but the individuals, trying to correlate their actions and behaviors to others, etc etc etc. If society cant get united against ****heads like the ones that committed this crime and take a hardline stance against this...then it will simply continue. Yesterday...some secluded room in Yemen and a journalist or contractor truck driver. Today...London. Tomorrow?
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Malkin, et al., push and advocate hate. She does not need to blow herself and others up to be labelled an extremist.

The Muslim sheeple who blow themselves up for Allah are those who have been imprinted by hate spewing from radicals... many of whom are too chicken to do it themselves. Take Bin Laden for example.
 
digsbe said:
Some guy was beheaded,
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A father of a two year old and a drummer in the ceremonial guard.

this is a disgusting murder but why does it need to turn into an attack on Islam?
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It shouldn't, but neither should Islamist extremism be ignored.
 
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