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    good morning, polgara! it is an absolute, sincere pleaasure to see your wonderfully smiling face this beautiful (here in the northern california east bay) morning, you impress me as one of the sunniest and most peacefully disposed individuals anyone is lucky enough to call friend, the prof isn't, he is a pissy old septuagenarian who disdains all personal contact here for the purpose of business, but for a gentleman like you the overplied prof must make exception...

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    Thanks for the flowers, and I do hope that in my case, you will make an exception for a Ma'am, just this once, you overplied septuagenenarian rascal?

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    cnn yesterday:

    Waving flags and chanting, far-right marchers rallied in northern England on Saturday, their numbers apparently swelled by anger over the slaying of a British soldier allegedly by attackers who claimed an Islamist motive.

    Protesters on the march organized by the far-right English Defence League told CNN that Wednesday's horror in southeast London's Woolwich neighborhood had opened their eyes and called for Muslims to leave.

    It was in Woolwich that Lee Rigby was hit by a car, then hacked to death by two men -- one of whom sought out a camera to justify the killing as "an eye for an eye," saying it was "because Muslims are dying daily."

    Those two men are now under guard in South London hospitals after being shot in a confrontation with police. Three additional men were arrested Saturday on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder, according to police.

    Addressing the crowd Saturday in Newcastle, EDL leader Tommy Robinson said that Rigby's killing should be a wake-up call to British citizens.

    "We cannot allow this soldier's death to be in vain," Robinson said. "We are the only ones who dare say it. When did the truth become hate speech?"
    Far-right marchers rally amid tensions over Woolwich killing - CNN.com

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Taliban
    (طالبان)
    Participant in Civil war in Afghanistan; War in Afghanistan
    Flag of the Taliban
    A flag used by the Taliban from 1997 to 2001
    Active 1979-1994 (assisting mujahideen)
    1994–1996 (militia)
    1996–2001 (government)
    2004–present (insurgency)
    Ideology Islamism
    Islamic fundamentalism
    Takfiri
    Strict Sharia law
    Pashtun nationalism
    Leaders Mullah Mohammed Omar (founder and spiritual leader)[1]
    Area of
    operations Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan
    Strength 45,000 (2001 est.)[2]
    11,000 (2008 est.)[3]
    36,000 (2010 est.)[4]
    Originated as Students of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam
    Allies Haqqani network
    Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin
    Islamic Emirate of Waziristan
    Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
    Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
    East Turkestan Islamic Movement
    Al-Qaeda
    Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
    Jamaat-e-Islami
    Caucasian Front[5]
    Opponents Afghanistan Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
    International Security Assistance For
    Exactly. Homeboy Chuckles refuses to accept that they've been around prior to 1994. He didn't really argue out of genuine belief, but rather to avoid answering my point.

    At least you are able to read.

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    It's moronic that people still don't understand why the US continues to be attacked. It's our foreign policy.
    Really... After assisting Muslims before 911... in the Balkans and Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, in Afghanistan against the Soviets... we deserved 911, and the rest of the feces from the Religion of Peace?

    The problems is we have a bunch of nuts and a "religion" that feeds them. And folks like you add to the problem.

    Where is all the outrage from Muslims? Where is the push back within? I don't see it, and haven't seen it in the last 12-years.

    If I am an aggressor and I punch you in the nose, we are in a fight, even if you weren’t looking for a fight. The fight does not end just because you insist you’re not in a fight. The fight ends because you lose. Your ostentatious display of not having a quarrel with me does not convince me to stop hitting you — although it may convince me to keep hitting you.

    Islamic supremacism is not based on a lie. It is based on a truth. That truth has nothing to do with the United States — although it has grave consequences for us.

    This is elucidated by the jihadist atrocity in Britain just the day before Obama’s speech. Even after all the mass murders we’ve seen over the last two decades, this one was shocking in its barbarity.

    After killing and mutilating a British soldier, one of the jihadists, blood still soaking his hands, proudly looked into a camera and proclaimed, “We are forced by the Koran, in Sura al-Tawba, through many ayah in the Koran, we must fight them as they fight us.”

    Sura al-Tawba is the Koran’s ninth chapter, home to what are known as the verses of the sword. Time after time, Muslims are instructed to slaughter their enemies. “Kill the polytheists wherever you find them.” “Fight those who do not believe in Allah” until they submit to the law of Islam. “Fight . . . the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness.” On it goes.

    Naturally, most Western media reports omitted any mention of the jihadists’ explanation of their doctrine and its easily verifiable scriptural underpinnings — just as Obama, in his speech, eschewed any mention of the Koran in describing the “larger cause” for which “extremists” fight. But though the supremacist’s construction is not the only viable interpretation of Islam, it is a genuine, literal one.

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Exactly. Homeboy Chuckles refuses to accept that they've been around prior to 1994. He didn't really argue out of genuine belief, but rather to avoid answering my point.

    At least you are able to read.
    Ignoring academics and relying on Wikipedia is pretty foolish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Ignoring academics and relying on Wikipedia is pretty foolish
    You've quoted one writer, but it doesn't really matter. I'm not really interested in you dragging the conversation further off topic simply because you don't want to form a rebuttal to my position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Really... After assisting Muslims before 911... in the Balkans and Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, in Afghanistan against the Soviets... we deserved 911, and the rest of the feces from the Religion of Peace?
    If by "assisting" you mean interfering in their affairs and destroying countries while propping up dictators then yes, that is exactly what causes hatred and animosity towards the United States. Stop "helping" Muslim countries with intervention, stop "helping" the economy with stimulus, just stop doing stupid ****, period. Think you can handle that?

    Of course not, you are the US government. Interference and meddling is the only thing you know.

    The problems is we have a bunch of nuts and a "religion" that feeds them. And folks like you add to the problem.
    Irony.exe is not downloading to my hard drive, could you send another format?

    Where is all the outrage from Muslims? Where is the push back within? I don't see it, and haven't seen it in the last 12-years.
    You've seen the outrage, on 9/11 and the various other terrorist attacks against the United States. It's a response to our disastrous foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You've quoted one writer, but it doesn't really matter.
    actually three. The book is a collection of essays

    I'm not really interested in you dragging the conversation further off topic simply because you don't want to form a rebuttal to my position.
    I was addressing your position

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    We bombed the **** out of them, did you forget?



    LMFAO! Have you heard of the Soviet War in Afghanistan, the Mujahideen, and the resulting power vacuum that was left after Soviet troops withdrew? Is this some kind of joke? You can't be serious right now right?



    All over the Middle East. Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Nobody would have approved of the invasion of a European country after 9/11. Muslim country like Iraq? No problem!



    And what is the "moral" or "ethical" argument you have for killing innocent Muslims? I guess I'm just like 3 steps ahead of you so I will try to slow it down a bit.
    Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989. Taliban did not come to power until 1996. There was no vacuum.
    Had a European country launched the 9/11 attacks, we would have invaded them just the same.
    No warring state in history has spent more time, energy or money to minimize civilian loss of life than has the US since 2001. The fact that our enemies choose to hide themselves among women and children is their responsibility, not ours.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Cleric: Beheading British soldier justified under Islamic law- The Independent

    One of the suspected killers who attempted to behead and disembowel a young soldier in the horrific Woolwich attack had listened to the preachings of a radical Muslim cleric banned from Britain over extremist activities, including alleged links to al-Qa’ida, The Independent has learnt.

    The cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed has been secretly filmed stating that decapitation of the enemies of Islam was permitted. Today, in comments met with outrage, he told The Independent that he could understand the feeling of rage that had motivated the attackers and that what they had done could be justified under certain interpretations of Islam.

    Michael Adebolajo, a British-Muslim convert of Nigerian origin who gave a video interview with a meat cleaver in his bloodied hands while the body of 25-year-old Drummer Lee Rigby lay on the street behind him, declared that he was fighting for “Almighty Allah”.

    Mr Bakri Muhammed, who now lives in Lebanon, told The Independent: “I saw the film and we could see that he [the suspect] was being very courageous.

    “Under Islam this can be justified, he was not targeting civilians, he was taking on a military man in an operation. To people around here [in the Middle East] he is a hero for what he has done.”

    It also emerged that the two suspected killers of Drummer Rigby were already known to MI5 and, almost certainly, to counter-terrorism officers in the police. One of the men was stopped from travelling to Somalia to join the Islamist militia Al-Shabaab last year.

    In 2007, following the conviction of a group British Pakistanis who had plotted to kidnap and behead a British soldier, a secret recording emerged of Mr Bakri Muhammed saying: “When you meet [Westerners], slice their own necks. And when you make the blood spill all over, and the enemy becomes so tired, now start to take from them prisoners. Then free them or exchange them until the war is finished.

    “Verily they remind the sunnah of removing the head of the enemy. They remind the sunnah of slaughtering the enemy. They remind the sunnah of how to strike the neck of the enemy. They removed the head of the enemy. Use the sword and remove the head of the enemy.”
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