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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    wait, so now interventionism is a good thing? Again, you're all over the place here, mate
    No silly, how on Earth did you derive that from what I said? Minus five points for you, do not pass go.

    I've been saying the same thing all along, that our interventionism around world leads to unintended consequences, which generally affect the American people negatively.

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    Good morning, Prof!
    good morning, polgara! it is an absolute, sincere pleaasure to see your wonderfully smiling face this beautiful (here in the northern california east bay) morning, you impress me as one of the sunniest and most peacefully disposed individuals anyone is lucky enough to call friend, the prof isn't, he is a pissy old septuagenarian who disdains all personal contact here for the purpose of business, but for a gentleman like you the overplied prof must make exception...

    peace and love, sir, keep up the outstanding work

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    bombing people isn't imperialism in any sense
    Our foreign policy is decidedly imperialist.

    What about it? The US withdrew it's funding and influence when the soviets withdrew. Years later, the taliban rose up
    And you are unable to connect the dots for some bizarre reason.

    The British withdrew from the continent in 1783. The Constitution was ratified 4 years later while the British were gone. Using your pre school logic, I might sit here and say "see! these two events are unrelated!"

    None of those conflicts involve killing people for being muslim
    Sure they do. If they weren't Muslim, we wouldn't be killing them. Nobody demanded that we invade Europe after 9/11. We demanded Muslim blood, and we got it.

    can you cite this policy of targeting innocent muslims?
    Sure, Iraq war, Afghanistan, terrorist drone war, etc.

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    Like the millions of other ordinary Swedes whom he now sees himself as one of, Mohammed Abbas fears his dream society is now under threat. When he first arrived in Stockholm as refugee from Iran in 1994, the vast Husby council estate where he settled was a mixture of locals and foreigners, a melting pot for what was supposed to be a harmonious, multi-racial paradise.

    Two decades on, though, "white flight" has left only one in five of Husby's flats occupied by ethnic Swedes, and many of their immigrant replacements do not seem to share his view that a new life in Swedenis a dream come true. Last week, the neighbourhood erupted into rioting, sparking some of the fiercest urban unrest that Sweden has seen in decades, and a new debate about the success of racial integration.

    "In the old days, the neighbourhood was more Swedish and life felt like a dream, but now there are just too many foreigners, and a new generation that has grown up here with just their own culture," he said, gesturing towards the hooded youths milling around in Husby's pedestrianised shopping precinct.

    This weekend, after six consecutive nights of rioting, Mr Mohammed was not the only one questioning the Swedish social model's preference for the carrot over the stick. Many Swedes were left asking why a country that prides itself on a generous welfare state, liberal social attitudes and a welcoming attitude towards immigrants should ever have race riots in the first place.
    Stockholm riots leave Sweden's dreams of perfect society up in smoke - Telegraph

    damn neocons

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    [QUOTE=Quik;1061853900]Our foreign policy is decidedly imperialist.{/quote]

    This started when you claimed we had imperialist operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. I responded by asking where is the imperialism in either of those conflicts. You responded by saying we bombed them. I pointed out bombing people isn't imperialism. Your reply is to basically reassert your original premise that I asked you to prove originally.

    So, again, you're all over the place



    And you are unable to connect the dots for some bizarre reason.

    The British withdrew from the continent in 1783. The Constitution was ratified 4 years later while the British were gone. Using your pre school logic, I might sit here and say "see! these two events are unrelated!"
    I never claimed they were unrelated. I was responding to you claiming that such fundamentalist groups are a product of the US overthrowing govt and propping up dictators. I pointed out no such thing was going on when the Taliban formed. Also, as ill conceived as our programs in Afghanistan were, I don't think they fit either of those descriptions. We basically funded and armed an organic and internal resistance movement that was fighting against a a revolutionary govt that was getting arms, funds, and direct troop assitence from the soviets, with the soviets later taking a more active role of direct military intervention



    Sure they do. If they weren't Muslim, we wouldn't be killing them. Nobody demanded that we invade Europe after 9/11. We demanded Muslim blood, and we got it.
    Why would we invade Europe after 9/11? How does this account for increased tension towards NK after 9/11?



    Sure, Iraq war, Afghanistan, terrorist drone war, etc.
    none of those involve a policy of targeting innocent muslims

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    I've been saying the same thing all along, that our interventionism around world leads to unintended consequences, which generally affect the American people negatively.
    the only reason we got involved in afghanistan was to bog down the soviets.

    we were responding to such intervention, and kept it to a much lower degree than the soviets, who ultimately invaded the country

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    the next shoe, as predictable as the first

    Rigby's killing - and Adebolajo's apparent link to Islamic extremism - has stirred anti-Muslim backlashes across Britain. Police said they arrested three people on suspicion of posting racist tweets ahead of the English Defense League march, and further detained 24 others before and during the protest on suspicion of public drunkenness, vandalism and distributing racist literature. One group of marchers carried a sign that read "Taliban Hunting Club."

    About 350 counterdemonstrators who called themselves Newcastle Unites shouted abuse at the marchers, including "Nazi scum off our streets!" The region's Northumbria Police said riot police prevented any direct clashes between the opposed groups.

    Meanwhile, the far-right British National Party announced it would rally supporters next weekend on the spot where the young soldier was killed.

    "Has the horror of Woolwich woken you up too? ... Join the British resistance," British National Party leader Nick Griffin said in a video address Saturday to supporters announcing his plans for a "Stand Up to Muslim Terror" rally at the scene of the crime, where thousands already have left floral bouquets paying tribute to the soldier.

    A group that campaigns against extremism, Faith Matters, said it has received reports of around 150 anti-Muslim hate crimes across Britain since the soldier was killed Wednesday, more than 10 times the usual rate. Its director, Fiyaz Mughal, said he was particularly concerned by how geographically widespread the actions, including street fights and the vandalism of mosques, had become.

    "Some of them are quite aggressive, very focused, very aggressive attacks ... against institutions or places where Muslims congregate," he said.
    My Way News - Anti-Muslim actions rise in UK over slain soldier

    open your eyes, ostriches

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    One of two men arrested over the murder of a British soldier in a London street was detained in Kenya in 2010 on suspicion of seeking to train with an al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia, Kenyan police said on Sunday.

    Confirmation that Michael Adebolajo was held in Kenya and deported to London will intensify calls for Britain's spy agencies to explain what they knew about the suspect and whether they could have done more to prevent Lee Rigby's killing on Wednesday.

    The British parliament's security committee will next week investigate the security services' actions in the run-up to a killing that has put pressure on Prime Minister David Cameron to take a harder line on radicals.

    The Nairobi government initially said Adebolajo had never visited Kenya. But on Sunday, Boniface Mwaniki, head of Kenya's anti-terrorism police, said Adebolajo was arrested in November 2010 and deported to Britain.

    "He was arrested with a group of five others trying to travel to Somalia to join militant group al Shabaab," he told Reuters.

    The Islamist force, which is linked to al Qaeda, wants to impose a strict version of Islamic law across Somalia.

    A Foreign Office spokeswoman in London confirmed the arrest and said consular officials had provided assistance.

    Spy agencies have come under scrutiny after uncorroborated allegations by a friend of Adebolajo on Friday that intelligence officers tried to recruit him six months ago.

    Asked whether the security services had contacted the men, Home Secretary (interior minister) Theresa May told the BBC: "Their job is about gathering intelligence. They do that from a variety of sources and they will do that in a variety of ways. And yes, they will approach individuals from time to time."

    A source close to the investigation told Reuters this week that both suspects were known to the MI5 domestic security service. However, neither was thought to pose a serious threat.
    Suspected killer of British soldier was held in Kenya | Reuters

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    First, your quote doesn't even say the Taliban didn't form in 1979, just that they were still a ragtag group of armed men. (Actually it doesn't even mention the Taliban in the quote)

    Second, I gave you a picture of Reagan meeting with the Taliban in 1985, I gave you two links, and even a movie made specifically around us supporting the Taliban in the 80's.

    Jesus christ, just admit you were wrong instead of trying to claim the entire world is wrong. Unbelievably dishonest.



    I don't really care what he did or didn't say. The question is whether the Taliban existed in the 80's. He DID meet with the Taliban in the 80's.

    Taliban
    (طالبان)
    Participant in Civil war in Afghanistan; War in Afghanistan
    Flag of the Taliban
    A flag used by the Taliban from 1997 to 2001
    Active 1979-1994 (assisting mujahideen)
    1994–1996 (militia)
    1996–2001 (government)
    2004–present (insurgency)
    Ideology Islamism
    Islamic fundamentalism
    Takfiri
    Strict Sharia law
    Pashtun nationalism
    Leaders Mullah Mohammed Omar (founder and spiritual leader)[1]
    Area of
    operations Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan
    Strength 45,000 (2001 est.)[2]
    11,000 (2008 est.)[3]
    36,000 (2010 est.)[4]
    Originated as Students of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam
    Allies Haqqani network
    Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin
    Islamic Emirate of Waziristan
    Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
    Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
    East Turkestan Islamic Movement
    Al-Qaeda
    Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
    Jamaat-e-Islami
    Caucasian Front[5]
    Opponents Afghanistan Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
    International Security Assistance For

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    Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal has warned against the danger of Iran's nuclear program to the region's security and said Iran should not threaten its neighbors since countries in the region harbor no ill-intentions to the Islamic Republic.

    "We stress the danger of the Iranian nuclear program to the security of the whole region," Prince Saud said Saturday in a joint news conference with Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid in the city of Jiddah.

    Turning to Syria, he also that Syrian President Bashar Assad and his regime should have no role in the country's future.

    Saudi Arabia announced last week the arrest of 10 more members of an alleged Iranian spy ring.
    AP: Saudi Arabia Warns Against Iran's Nuclear Program

    damn imperialists

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