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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Ignoring the simplistic view of american foreign policy, wouldn't this be ignoring that the Taliban arose in the absence of american interference?
    Not really. The Taliban became active during the war with the USSR, at which point we propped them up, funded and supplied them. We gave them everything they needed to defeat the soviets and later assume power.

    That's what we do. We pick a group in a middle eastern country, and we fund, train and equip that group, because we believe they would best support our interests in the region. While doing this we're aggrevating the other groups because we're helping their enemies.

    We've done this over and over and over and over again, and have even changed sides over the course of time. We're the ultimate meddlers. Not condoning any of their actions, but I would be pretty upset too if foreign entities were consistently fiddling with our politics, invading, and dropping bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Not really. The Taliban became active during the war with the USSR, at which point we propped them up, funded and supplied them. We gave them everything they needed to defeat the soviets and later assume power.
    The taliban didn't even exist when the soviet union was operating in Afghanistan.

    That's what we do. We pick a group in a middle eastern country, and we fund, train and equip that group, because we believe they would best support our interests in the region. While doing this we're aggrevating the other groups because we're helping their enemies.
    Again, the Taliban didn't start operating until 1994. Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 89

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The taliban didn't even exist when the soviet union was operating in Afghanistan.



    Again, the Taliban didn't start operating until 1994. Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 89
    You are completely and totally wrong. The Taliban formed in 1979 to fight the Soviet invaders.

    Here's a few links for you to read up before you reply:
    Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    History of the Taliban

    Or if you don't feel like reading, you could also just watch the movie 'Charlie Wilson's War'
    Charlie Wilson's War - Trailer(HD) Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts - YouTube

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The taliban didn't even exist when the soviet union was operating in Afghanistan.



    Again, the Taliban didn't start operating until 1994. Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 89
    And just for good measure, here's Reagan meeting with the Taliban.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You are completely and totally wrong. The Taliban formed in 1979 to fight the Soviet invaders.

    Here's a few links for you to read up before you reply:
    Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    History of the Taliban

    Or if you don't feel like reading, you could also just watch the movie 'Charlie Wilson's War'
    Charlie Wilson's War - Trailer(HD) Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts - YouTube
    In 1994 a ragtag group of armed young men announced their intent to restore moral order and justice to Afghanistan, punishing robbers, adulterers, and rapistsas they spread their rule.
    The taliban and the crisis of Afghanistan pg 4 Robert D Crews and Amin Tarzi.

    Pro-tip: Don't believe everything you read on the internet

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And just for good measure, here's Reagan meeting with the Taliban.

    you, and the person who made that picture, seem to be confusing the mujahideen with the Taliban

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And just for good measure, here's Reagan meeting with the Taliban.

    there are disputes over Reagan and this picture

    Ronald Reagan Did Not Say Taliban Had Morals Of Our Founding Fathers


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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The taliban and the crisis of Afghanistan pg 4 Robert D Crews and Amin Tarzi.

    Pro-tip: Don't believe everything you read on the internet
    First, your quote doesn't even say the Taliban didn't form in 1979, just that they were still a ragtag group of armed men. (Actually it doesn't even mention the Taliban in the quote)

    Second, I gave you a picture of Reagan meeting with the Taliban in 1985, I gave you two links, and even a movie made specifically around us supporting the Taliban in the 80's.

    Jesus christ, just admit you were wrong instead of trying to claim the entire world is wrong. Unbelievably dishonest.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    there are disputes over Reagan and this picture

    Ronald Reagan Did Not Say Taliban Had Morals Of Our Founding Fathers


    Ronald Reagan Did Not Say Taliban Had Morals Of Our Founding Fathers - YouTube
    I don't really care what he did or didn't say. The question is whether the Taliban existed in the 80's. He DID meet with the Taliban in the 80's.

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Further

    This chaotic social and political environment gave rise to a vacuum of leadership and gave momentum to to the appearance of a political force that promised to stop the infighting and further destruction of the country. Led by Mullah Muhammad Omar, the initial taliban group emerged in the southern part of Kandahar province in 1994 as a local response to the former resistance and resistance forces implicated in banditry, brutality against local residents ...
    same book, page 101, Neamatollah Nojumi

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    First, your quote doesn't even say the Taliban didn't form in 1979, just that they were still a ragtag group of armed men. (Actually it doesn't even mention the Taliban in the quote)
    well, I didn't feel like typing out the previous five pages on context

    Second, I gave you a picture of Reagan meeting with the Taliban in 1985, I gave you two links, and even a movie made specifically around us supporting the Taliban in the 80's.
    So your citations are an internet meme and a hollywood movie?

    But, again, the picture is of the Mujihadeen leadership. Just google "mujihadeen and reagan" and you can even see the news footage reporting it

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