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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Didn't you say in post number 73:


    in response to SgtRock's posting in number 61:


    You obviously were accusing Christians of killing the Newtown children. Don't now try to claim innocence.

    BTW, if you really want to compare the history of Christianity and try to claim that it is as violent as Islam, be my guest. I don't buy it.
    The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That is definitely happening, but I think that we have a really bad habit of pretending as though this is just a small segment of the population. It isn't just a few thousand members of the Ulema and their families, it is much broader portions of society that adhere to these beliefs or endorse this backlash.

    Once again though I firmly support democratic movements in these countries and still have hopes for the future of Egypt.
    But is it true that a large part of Indonesia's population Islamic? You never hear unrest coming from there? Are they more accepting of secularism, or is it somthing different.

    Islam is the second largest religious faith and I don't believe all Muslims live the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    10,000 terror attacks, 1.4 billion Muslims... .0001% of the population. Sounds about right.
    that diesn't make the .0001% anything other than Islamist terrorist attacks.
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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    She hasn't received much attention because she is an Afghan MP. In the context of a planets worth of news that does not rank very highly. Fawzia Koofi who has been very critical of ISAF did a book tour in the US and had an appearance on the Daily Show because she wrote a book and she is saying she will run for President in 2014. This aroused attention and garnered interest. Jumping to conspiratorial explanations rarely pays off.
    There's no conspiracy. Rather, I suggest an (admittedly rough) institutional analysis of the difference in reception of these two women is the proper way to understand the disparity. It's a good test case, because the similarities between the women are obvious.

    Joya too has received some attention; after being banished (for harshly criticizing a warlord) several Parliamentarians, from Canada, Italy, and elsewhere, have issued calls for her reinstatement.

    She was named one of Time Magazine's 100 most influential people of the year.

    And that would seem to contradict my point...and yet...she remains a shadow figure, less known than other high-profile Muslim women who, similarly, have battled Islamist Orthodoxy. And I would suggest it's because of a single crucial difference:

    Unlike Koofi, who has remained mostly silent on the behaviour of the NATO allies--and moreso unlike Aayan Hirsi Ali, who is openly hawkish, even joining the AEI--Joya is vocally critical, even condemnatory, about NATO's actions, and particularly about US foreign policy.

    Even the Time piece was singularly telling: each "influential person" got a paragraph extolling their virtues, a little puff-piece explaining their munificence.

    Joya's--alone!--was a mixed review, underlining her courage and tenacity but wondering how she could say such mean things...about us! God forfend. Hell, even Sarah Palin was spared this sort of critique in the lineup.

    So ok, a small matter, but I think an instructive one.

    And I believe in the larger sense, those most critical of Western power are far more likley to be sidelined than, say, one who joins the AEI in declaring the need for militaristic American imperialism. (It does, you know!)

    Criticizing tactics and strategy is ok, and fits within the properly-defined parameters; fundamental critiques are anathema, and even considered "loony" (the preferred nomenclature).

    And I'm not deriding Ali, who has shown terrific bravery as well...though I consider her credulity to the beneficience of American military might to be a sort of religious belief in itself, a kind of secular faith in the State that is puzzling to me.

    And certainly there are exceptions; some very harsh critics find a willing public ear; but as a general rule, appeals to adolescent nationalism and Western Good Intentions (while scant on evidence) is a more likely path to fame...and subsequent accolades.

    So that's my take on it. I don't believe there's the faintest whiff of conspiracy to any of it.
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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why would the 'whiteness' matter? If the premise is that you have a problem with a religious takeover why do you insist on using racial terminology? The problem is the defense of secularism and liberal values. Skin color is and should be irrelevant.
    It shouldn't matter, but I think it will. But I'll concede this will be far more about religion. No way do I see a 50+ percent Muslim community living in peace with a less than 50 percent Christian/Jewish community there. Christians are leaving the Middle East in droves right now, what's left of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
    Stop being stupid. He didn't recite the Lord's prayer while killing those children, nor was Christianity any part of his reasoning for the attack.

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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There is no comparison between religions.

    Even without the terror attacks the Muslim religion subjegates woman on a international scale, is anti democratic and anti-freedom...unless your'e a man that is.
    So is the United States.

    The attacks against women that happen in places like Saudi Arabia on a daily basis are never counted.
    You mean our "Great Ally" Saudi Arabia? The one we rushed in to save from a secular ruler?

    So post some obscure irrelevent data to try and push the false Narrative that " all religions have terrorist in theit midst".

    It's just not true.
    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But is it true that a large part of Indonesia's population Islamic? You never hear unrest coming from there? Are they more accepting of secularism, or is it somthing different.

    Islam is the second largest religious faith and I don't believe all Muslims live the Middle East.
    Sure. But even if we use Indonesia as a template that anecdote doesn't really hold up in terms of some of the generalizing points I'm trying to make. Indonesia is different from Saudi Arabia no question, but Indonesia for all of its advances with democracy is still plagued by the problems we are talking about, and I believe it is for the reasons I mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    But I thought England had no firearm violence...
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    Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The guy who did Newtown was a Christian.. hence it was a Christian terror attack. That he invoked his religion or not, is frankly irrelevant since it was terror regardless.
    So when one of your family members rapes a kid, he is doing it in your family name because you all share the family name? Holy crap..your effort to wipe away the **** stain of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism by correlation is amazing. When you have to play "6 degrees from Kevin Bacon" to draw a connection to "Christian terrorism", maybe you ought to try a new tactic.

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