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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Doesn't work that way, James. To get Social Services, you need to provide proof of your citizenship or legal residency status, as well as provide a SS card. Fake documents might get by a prospective employer, but it won't get past the welfare department. I can say that, here in Texas, there are almost no illegals at all collecting welfare checks. The only reason people think there are is becuase of the lies spewed by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. That's not to say that illegals get no aid at all. Churches help many of them out, but what they get are NOT from any government program, except in education, where the kids are still required to go to school.

    If illegals have anchor babies then those anchor babies most certainly can receive welfare.

    And from the look of things they are trying to make it so that amnesty immigrants can get welfare and other tax payer benefits.
    Senate panel OKs tax-welfare benefits for newly legal immigrants - Washington Times
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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Good. Far from perfect, but much better than nothing. The reform is long overdue.

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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Add to that, allowing 12 - 20 million Mexican's (let's face it that's what we're talking about primarily here) into now legal voting status says bu bye to the GOP. The Republican's are being fleeced here, they absolutely can't win, so why not push for enforcement of our existing laws, enforcement and legislation to prevent illegal voting, and border security? It's NOT like they're going to win over any hearts and minds caving on this.. Once passed (if passed) the Dems will simply offer more goodies, more than the GOP constituency will allow them to offer, and then the GOP will REALLY find themselves in a hole too deep to dig out of demographically. The Latinos that voted for the GOP in the last and previous elections will continue to vote that way. The newly found amnesty aliens will give the democrats a dominant voting block in the always red south-central, southeast, and southwestern United States.

    If the GOP doesn't get this, they really are a sore bunch!

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    And I am sure that right after those 12-20 million plus illegals are legalized they will remove all that stuff or gut the **** out of any funding for that stuff. This will be a repeat of the Reagan Amnesty.All this will do is screw Americans who have to compete with amnesty aliens, foreign workers here on visa for jobs and new illegals and screw over tax payers.
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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, and I almost believe that since it's Texas, but the same is not true across all states. Illegals can and do receive aid and social services.

    I take that back, I don't believe that's true for Texas either. Simple way to get around it, have a kid.
    Can you say "anchor baby"?

    In California, the total cost of Social Services going to illegal aliens containing one of more children born in the United States exceeds $5 billion per year.

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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I think a whole lot of illegals do pay taxes and SS, they just can't get any out because they are illegals.
    Nearly 50% American households do not pay federal taxes. So how would illegals most of whom work under the table(meaning they are paid straight cash and do not have any money withheld) or do not make enough to pay federal income taxes going to pay federal income taxes? Are illegals somehow magically making more money than these 50% of American households and thus able to make enough in order to pay federal income taxes?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Nearly 50% American households do not pay federal taxes. So how would illegals most of whom work under the table(meaning they are paid straight cash and do not have any money withheld) or do not make enough to pay federal income taxes going to pay federal income taxes? Are illegals somehow magically making more money than these 50% of American households and thus able to make enough in order to pay federal income taxes?
    Well, first, I think your premise that most of whom that work work under the table; and secondly most US households do pay taxes in and then get it back out when they do their returns. Illegals don't do returns. As for SS:
    a 2011 article

    Nation & World | Illegal immigrants pay Social Security tax, won't benefit | Seattle Times Newspaper

    "....Social Security officials keep a record of wages that do not match up with real names and numbers in their system. The record is called the earnings suspense file.

    In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

    That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants."

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    Re: Immigration bill heads to full Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And I am sure that right after those 12-20 million plus illegals are legalized they will remove all that stuff or gut the **** out of any funding for that stuff. This will be a repeat of the Reagan Amnesty.All this will do is screw Americans who have to compete with amnesty aliens, foreign workers here on visa for jobs and new illegals and screw over tax payers.
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