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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Start "working to do what " ? This bill on a fundamental level is a absolute disaster.
    Maybe go back to public option? If really serious, seek a universal payer system. That's just a couple of options.

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize this was already the case, a movement that started long ago. No serious person would consider this reform the cause of that.

    However, you want to remove healthcare as an excuse? Remove it from employment. Say with a universal payer.
    Sounds like inexpensive and magnificent healthcare!

    No freaking way.

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Sounds like inexpensive and magnificent healthcare!

    No freaking way.
    Less expensive than we do now.

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    Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    First we had to pass it to find out what's in it, now we have to fully implement it to see how truly bad it is, and next we have to allow middle class Americans to get bent over and anally raped before we fix it or get rid of it.

    Yes we can! Only in the USA!

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    First we had to pass it to find out what's in it, now we have to fully implement it to see how truly bad it is, and next we have to allow middle class Americans to get bent over and anally raped before we fix it or get rid of it.

    Yes we can! Only in the USA!
    If anyone cared about the middle class, there'd be support for UHC and unions.


    Just saying . . .

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize this was already the case, a movement that started long ago. No
    serious person would consider this reform the cause of that.

    However, you want to remove healthcare as an excuse? Remove it from employment. Say with a universal payer.
    Wrong, there is a direct relation to employers cutting their hours to the Obamacare mandates.

    Some people are so incredibly blind.

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    Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If anyone cared about the middle class, there'd be support for UHC and unions.


    Just saying . . .
    I'm all for UHC, but none of our politicians wanted that, as it was never even brought to the table and fought for. Our representatives, both Dems and Reps, love catering to big business, and there's no way they're going to put big insurance out.

    As for unions, I totally support private sector unions, as long as they are optional and paying dues is not a requirement for employment. Public sector unions are a big problem and need to be gotten rid of.

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wrong, there is a direct relation to employers cutting their hours to the Obamacare mandates.

    Some people are so incredibly blind.
    No, there really isn't. You have merely been conditioned to react that way. It was happening long before reform. Sorry.

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I'm all for UHC, but none of our politicians wanted that, as it was never even brought to the table and fought for. Our representatives, both Dems and Reps, love catering to big business, and there's no way they're going to put big insurance out.

    As for unions, I totally support private sector unions, as long as they are optional and paying dues is not a requirement for employment. Public sector unions are a big problem and need to be gotten rid of.
    Pits not brought to the table because they can barely handle the demonization they get from far more modest proposals. And yes, only talks today, being free speech and all. But it swings both ways.

    Both public private workers who don't pay benefit from the work of unions. We are not union where I work, but benefit from their work as our employer keeps ace in order not to have a union brought here.

    As fr public sector employees, as soon as they no longer work, provide services, get paid salaries, I'll agree they don't need unions. But most of the arguments against they are flawed. Negotiate better, as the state does here in Iowa. That's all you need do.

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    Re: Unions Break Ranks On ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wrong, there is a direct relation to employers cutting their hours to the Obamacare mandates.

    Some people are so incredibly blind.
    PART-TIME WORK NEW LABOR TREND

    By WILLIAM SERRIN (The New York Times); National Desk
    July 9, 1986, Wednesday


    [ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]

    A fundamental change is occurring in the American workplace as more and more employers rely on temporary and part-time workers. The movement toward using these workers and others hired indirectly through leasing or subcontracting represents a substantial reversal of a trend that has prevailed for more than 50 years. Over that period, company personnel policies, union organizing and collective bargaining agreements as well as legislation have all helped increase job stability and protection. Now a ''weakening of ties'' between employee and employer ''is definitely developing,'' said Thomas Bailey, associate research scholar at the Conservation of Human Resources program at Columbia University. Viewpoints on Part-Time Jobs Two views exist over the development of part-time jobs.

    PART-TIME WORK NEW LABOR TREND - NYTimes.com

    That damned Obama, causing this all the back then with his reform.

    (Just a hint: you can find this growing ever since).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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