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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    He didn't have the right to life anyway, being in a social medicine country. Now that he lost freedom of religion, apparently he saw no point in living any more.
    What is it like in the right wing bubble?

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Well that man is certainly a moron.


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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    And nothing of value was lost. Here I thought suicide was a sin. So consistent!

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Various forms, yes. Spoken developed rather early as a necessity to express philosophy, written later.
    Language didn't develop "as a necessity to express philosophy." If you think it did, please cite data supporting this assertion. Actually, there are several theories on the origin of language, and none of them even suggest anything close to your fanciful speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Very clearly intelligence makes language. I cannot engage in language without intelligence, impossible. Looking at written words does not make me more intelligent; I must possess the intelligence to understand the written word. This is obvious.
    Language is needed for intelligence, as intelligence is needed for language. It's a chicken-and-egg paradox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes you can. You can certainly have intelligence without language. It is very possible to think without being able to express your thoughts to others. Language makes that communication of philosophy possible, so language is necessary for the societies that we've constructed. But without intelligence, there is no language. Without substantial intelligence, there is no written language. Everything flows from intelligence.
    It's clear you haven't studied this at all, you're just expressing an opinion. I have. Language is as much internal as it is external. Think about what language, at it's core, really is. A language is a collection of symbols, whether in written or aural form, each symbol representing something or some action.

    This ability to think in symbols is exactly the same skill as our ability to think abstract thoughts. Rather than just looking at a rock and experiencing "rock" as an animal would, we are able to conceptualize the idea of a rock, because we can represent the object, mentally, with a symbol which can be accessed later, or combined with other symbols into more complex abstractions.

    This is the very thing that distinguishes human intelligence from animal intelligence.

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    No, my thinking is not dependent upon my ability to tell you what it is that I'm thinking.
    Again, language is as much internal as it is external.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Is this candidate #1 for this year's Darwin award?
    Just a small point darwin awards involve removing your crappy genes from the gene pool which means you have to do it before breeding. my thought is that a 78 year old man either already polluted the gene pool with his seed, or has other more direct reasons than his suicide for his darwin award. I don't know if has actually had children or not, but if he doesn't there is another reason he didn't spread his seed than his suicide. I am just saying you have to do more than just die in a spectacularly stupid way for a darwin.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    My feeling si that he was disturbed, certainly depressed, and this issue was only the final straw for him. I dislike such bigotry as much as anyone, but I can feel a little compassion for the fellow. Not for his beliefs, but for his obvious, deep-rooted sadness.
    ...for perhaps the most admirable among the admirable laws of Nature is the survival of the weakest.
    --Vladimir Nabokov

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Just a small point darwin awards involve removing your crappy genes from the gene pool which means you have to do it before breeding. my thought is that a 78 year old man either already polluted the gene pool with his seed, or has other more direct reasons than his suicide for his darwin award. I don't know if has actually had children or not, but if he doesn't there is another reason he didn't spread his seed than his suicide. I am just saying you have to do more than just die in a spectacularly stupid way for a darwin.
    Good point. He probably already spread the idiot seed by then.

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