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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

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    And... What do you find is inherently dangerous about the Tea Party?


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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

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    And... What do you find is inherently dangerous about the Tea Party?


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    It's a faux-small party branch of the main party status quo. They present themselves as an actual option and something that would push towards smaller government, but work with the very parties responsible for gross expansion of powers of the government against the free exercise of rights of the People. They are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing trying to entice dissatisfied voters back into the fold of the status quo even though they will do nothing to actually change the status quo.

    Snake oil salesmen, carpetbaggers and nothing more.
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

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    No, philosophy is the root of all reason and knowledge. Language is a tool to communicate effectively and efficiently the knowledge and reason gained by philosophy. Our intelligence distinguishes us from animals, far greater than written language. Which while powerful in and of itself, is but one consequence of our intelligence.
    So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Philosophy can't exist without language. Language, however, can exist without philosophy. Therefore, which is more essential? I'm not diminishing the importance of philosophy by any stretch. However, language is clearly at the root of all understanding.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Is this candidate #1 for this year's Darwin award?

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a faux-small party branch of the main party status quo. They present themselves as an actual option and something that would push towards smaller government, but work with the very parties responsible for gross expansion of powers of the government against the free exercise of rights of the People. They are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing trying to entice dissatisfied voters back into the fold of the status quo even though they will do nothing to actually change the status quo.

    Snake oil salesmen, carpetbaggers and nothing more.
    Ah, so that is YOUR take. Opinion noted. Has the thought ever occurred to you that with such an entrenched two-party system the ONLY way to effect change is to saturate the status quo over time with reasonable approaches to problem solving that appeal to an ever growing constituency? The Tea Party is akin to the blue-dog democrats. Unlike the blue dogs, I hold out more optimism for the tea party to maintain some degree of integrity to their core values of smaller government, fiscal sanity.



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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Is the Tea Party still in existance? I read somewhere they haven't released any "official" statements since July 2012.

    When folks think of the Tea Party, they think of Perry, Palin, Bauchmann, Paul... the list of weirdos goes on.

    Did they not lose a big chunk of their funding? Do they have any "Tea Party Candidates?" Or just suck-up's from the Republican Party begging for their vote?

    I have long thought that the "Tea Party," was just a G.O.P. invention designed to give the whackier people in their party a corner to stand in as to keep their embarassment away from the G.O.P. as a whole.

    When I first heard of the Tea Party, I was very excited about it. I wanted in. The "anti-party" party. That is until they became what they become. A rightwing extremo joke.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Philosophy can't exist without language. Language, however, can exist without philosophy. Therefore, which is more essential? I'm not diminishing the importance of philosophy by any stretch. However, language is clearly at the root of all understanding.
    Thinking came first, quite clearly. Language does not make intelligence, intelligence makes language. Philosophy can and does exist without language. It's merely harder to communicate. The written language is indeed very powerful, but it didn't invent itself nor did it invent philosophy. Thinking has always been first, everything else we wield has fallen from that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

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    Nobody gives a **** about the opinions of a dead man.
    I agree with you that I DONT give a **** about his opinion but this would be true if he was alive also. Bigots dont interest me.

    but in general thats not true for all people.
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Thinking came first, quite clearly. Language does not make intelligence, intelligence makes language. Philosophy can and does exist without language. It's merely harder to communicate. The written language is indeed very powerful, but it didn't invent itself nor did it invent philosophy. Thinking has always been first, everything else we wield has fallen from that.
    Communication isn't harder, it's impossible without language.

    Again, does language make intelligence or does intelligence make language? That's a chicken-and-egg question. Either way, one cannot exist without the other. Without language, we're merely animals reacting to the world around us.

    Language makes conceptualization and abstract thinking possible. Without it, Philosophy would be nonexistent.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Communication isn't harder, it's impossible without language.
    Various forms, yes. Spoken developed rather early as a necessity to express philosophy, written later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Again, does language make intelligence or does intelligence make language?
    Very clearly intelligence makes language. I cannot engage in language without intelligence, impossible. Looking at written words does not make me more intelligent; I must possess the intelligence to understand the written word. This is obvious.

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    That's a chicken-and-egg question.
    No, it's really not

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Either way, one cannot exist without the other.
    Yes you can. You can certainly have intelligence without language. It is very possible to think without being able to express your thoughts to others. Language makes that communication of philosophy possible, so language is necessary for the societies that we've constructed. But without intelligence, there is no language. Without substantial intelligence, there is no written language. Everything flows from intelligence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Without language, we're merely animals reacting to the world around us.

    Language makes conceptualization and abstract thinking possible. Without it, Philosophy would be nonexistent.
    No, my thinking is not dependent upon my ability to tell you what it is that I'm thinking.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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