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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

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    I'm a non-practicing Catholic.

    1.)Honestly the dude just seem nuts.

    I don't particularly feel bad for him though, he's just some random guy in France. People die every day, if I felt bad for all of them that would be an overwhelmingly large amount of feeling bad for people I don't even know

    2.)although sometimes I feel bad for not feeling bad if that makes any sense.

    I think mostly people feign interest in things like this, they just wont admit it. The people who actually DO care, those are the ones you want to pay attention to.

    3.)The reason he gave for doing what he did seems like just an excuse to me.
    1.) id have to agree, my opinion is he is nuts but he might have been "medically" sane
    2.) IMO it makes perfect sense, i have experienced that feeling with things myself.
    3.) if i was forced to bet id GUESS you are right and this was at best a secondary issue he used as an excuse/cover.
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, but then again, we use the word "school" the same way. Why should "school" and "hospital" be treated differently?

    Still, I don't remember hearing "hospital" used that way very often.
    Good point - I don't know what he means by an 'action-noun', but I have never heard hospital used as a verb in British English. Perhaps in the past tense as in 'hospitalised', but then don't Americans use that term? We would never say "I'm going to hospital you," whereas we might say "I am going to school you in this discipline." We don't commonly use 'school' in that sense, but it would not be considered ungrammatical.
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Good point - I don't know what he means by an 'action-noun', but I have never heard hospital used as a verb in British English. Perhaps in the past tense as in 'hospitalised', but then don't Americans use that term? We would never say "I'm going to hospital you," whereas we might say "I am going to school you in this discipline." We don't commonly use 'school' in that sense, but it would not be considered ungrammatical.
    I have heard British people say "I am going to hospital to visit my dad," omitting the word "the." I haven't heard it often, but I have heard it. I think that's what he meant.

    So, while it would be perfectly acceptable to say "Johnny is going to school," it sounds odd, in America, to say "Johnny is going to hospital."

    I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

    Still, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, "Johnny is going to the hospital" is probably correct in both countries.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, but then again, we use the word "school" the same way. Why should "school" and "hospital" be treated differently?

    Still, I don't remember hearing "hospital" used that way very often.
    You're correct, But at least in America, using "school" that way is still restricted to the functionally illiterate class.....................

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have heard British people say "I am going to hospital to visit my dad," omitting the word "the." I haven't heard it often, but I have heard it. I think that's what he meant.

    So, while it would be perfectly acceptable to say "Johnny is going to school," it sounds odd, in America, to say "Johnny is going to hospital."

    I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

    Still, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, "Johnny is going to the hospital" is probably correct in both countries.
    Thanks - I understand better now. I have certainly heard "I am going to hospital to visit my dad/mum." and I might say "I am going to hospital on Wednesday, for some tests." I just hadn't heard the term 'action-noun' before.

    And of course "Johnny is going to the hospital." is the grammatically correct form in both our respective societies.

    LOL, some of the vagaries of British speech come from the many regional usages. "There's trouble't mill!" would be instantly understood by a Yorkshireman, while it may appear ungrammatical to an educated American. Dropping the article is not uncommon in informal speech 'oop north'.
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thanks - I understand better now. I have certainly heard "I am going to hospital to visit my dad/mum." and I might say "I am going to hospital on Wednesday, for some tests." I just hadn't heard the term 'action-noun' before.

    And of course "Johnny is going to the hospital." is the grammatically correct form in both our respective societies.

    LOL, some of the vagaries of British speech come from the many regional usages. "There's trouble't mill!" would be instantly understood by a Yorkshireman, while it may appear ungrammatical to an educated American. Dropping the article is not uncommon in informal speech 'oop north'.
    "Action noun" ---The transformation of a thing into an activity.......................

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    "Action noun" ---The transformation of a thing into an activity.......................
    Thanks, but as I understand it, a noun (thing) which is verbally transformed into an action, becomes a verb. Could you explain further?
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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thanks - I understand better now. I have certainly heard "I am going to hospital to visit my dad/mum." and I might say "I am going to hospital on Wednesday, for some tests." I just hadn't heard the term 'action-noun' before.

    And of course "Johnny is going to the hospital." is the grammatically correct form in both our respective societies.

    LOL, some of the vagaries of British speech come from the many regional usages. "There's trouble't mill!" would be instantly understood by a Yorkshireman, while it may appear ungrammatical to an educated American. Dropping the article is not uncommon in informal speech 'oop north'.
    In Britain, "regional" can depend on something as small as what part of London someone comes from! It's really mind-blowing how localized the language is over there in to isolated pockets. You have so many diverse dialects, it's incredible. In the US, American English is fairly standard across the continent - the only real split is between the northern and southern states, with some minor regional variations here and there.

    This conversation brings out the nerd in me, but it's quite interesting. Why do some words take no definite article, while other do?

    I suppose it partly comes down to a certain role being implied: for example, "at sea" (as a sailor), "in prison" (as a convict), and at/in college (for students).

    Why do we say "the sailor is at sea" rather than "the sailor is at the sea," for example, or "the convict is in prison" rather than "the convict is in the prison."

    Included in this group, you Brits have "in hospital (as a patient) and at university (as a student), where American English requires "in the hospital" and "at the university" (though, as stated, American English does allow "at college" and "in school").

    When the implied roles of patient or student do not apply, the definite article is, naturally, used in both dialects.

    Likewise, Brits distinguish "in future" ("from now on") from "in the future" ("at some future time"); American English uses "in the future" for both senses.

    Hmm.

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thanks, but a noun (thing) which is verbally transformed into an action, becomes a verb.
    No, not exactly. First it becomes an action noun, then after it becomes widely accepted in the new role, then it becomes a verb.....................

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    Re: French activist kills himself in Notre Dame Cathedral in gay marriage protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Thanks, but as I understand it, a noun (thing) which is verbally transformed into an action, becomes a verb. Could you explain further?
    An action noun is a noun denoting action. "Belief," for instance, is an action noun. "Inspection" is another. "Arrival" is another.

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