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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Apparently the committee didn't think so. I heard they dismissed her after she stated she is taking the fifth.
    She was dismissed and told that she may be recalled after the committee consults with the DoJ concerning her plea against self-incrimination. Apparently by making a full opening statement to the committee, and then invoking her right preventing self-incrimination, she may actually be compelled to testify, with or without immunity.

    She stated that she didn't break any rules, regulations, or laws, however, if she thinks there is a remote posibility that she actually did break a law that she doesn't know about, or didn't know about at the time, that would explain her pleading the 5th.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    In the Five Stages of Loss and Grief, denial is the first step. It's followed by anger, then bargaining, then depression, then finally acceptance.
    This applies to everyone equally
    , no matter who you are, or what hopes have been disappointed.. It's documented normal human behavior

    Good afternoon, Bubba.
    Everyone? Equally?
    I just don't see the Perp Of The United States going through those steps.
    I think you're right for anyone who has developed an inate sense of right & wrong.
    Some people recognize that there are rules but simply don't think they apply to them.
    Not sociopaths in the clinical sense, they are careful to not make their attitude known but, rather, they manipulate others who are restrained by ethics.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    As it turns out, she DID wave her rights by making a statement, and is being called back to give testimony

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    She was dismissed and told that she may be recalled after the committee consults with the DoJ concerning her plea against self-incrimination. Apparently by making a full opening statement to the committee, and then invoking her right preventing self-incrimination, she may actually be compelled to testify, with or without immunity.

    She stated that she didn't break any rules, regulations, or laws, however, if she thinks there is a remote posibility that she actually did break a law that she doesn't know about, or didn't know about at the time, that would explain her pleading the 5th.
    Yup ... I thought it was peculiar when she was doing it ... and they were letting her.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    A whole thread of amateur teapartiers mangling the constitution. It's almost cute.

    taking the Fifth n. the refusal to testify on the ground that the testimony might tend to incriminate the witness in a crime, based on the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution which provides that "No person....shall be compelled to be a witness against himself," applied to state courts by the 14th Amendment. The term became famous during televised Senate committee hearings on organized crime in 1951, when a series of crime bosses "took the Fifth

    Plead the Fifth legal definition of Plead the Fifth. Plead the Fifth synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    You are not allowed to plead the fifth to protect others


    Please inform your self it will make you look less like a fool
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I think you're right, and I think it will come down to that. Offer Lerner immunity. Let's see what a committed Obama soldier she is.
    Perhaps... I want to say that's a great idea, but I'm not sure that it's a good idea yet.

    One of the few interesting bits of the House hearing was when the Treasury was asked if there were criminal investigations underway. The answer was something along the lines of “it's improper to comment on any investigations that may or may not be ongoing.”

    The OIG report wasn't a smoking gun, but it does pose some pretty serious questions. It doesn't take much imagination to realize that those investigations are currently ongoing, including possibly criminal investigations.

    What if Lerner is a target of this investigation? I'd be surprised if she wasn't, even if no crime has been committed. What lawyer would advise her that it was a good idea to testify under oath to a series of unknown questions by hostile individuals?

    We know how these scandals go. There's some indication that something might be amiss. People make all sorts of statements assuming the worst. This invests them in the need to turn up something illegal. After lots of investigation, it turns out that it really wasn't that bad. But the investigators/politicians need someones head to put on a pike, so they go after the witnesses. Anyone who said anything that has proven to be not 100% is raked over the coals.

    Can anyone blame Lerner for acting in her own interest? Remember, she's not a politician. She's a career bureaucrat with a boring job in a boring department.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Here's my theory. This was a plot by low-level republican IRS workers to cause a scandal. They do not want to admit why they did it.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    As it turns out, she DID wave her rights by making a statement, and is being called back to give testimony


    hahahahahahaha

    Ah - NO!

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post

    She stated that she didn't break any rules, regulations, or laws, however, if she thinks there is a remote posibility that she actually did break a law that she doesn't know about, or didn't know about at the time, that would explain her pleading the 5th.


    Try that excuse next time you get pulled by the police, They will tell you the same thing that im about to say. Ignorance of the law is no excuse

    Go read the Hatch Act

    The Hatch Act----officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision is to prohibit employees (civil servants) in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of the executive branch, from engaging in partisan political activity.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    A whole thread of amateur teapartiers mangling the constitution. It's almost cute.
    Let us all lend them our shovels so they can keep digging their hole.

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