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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Don't forget Fast & Furious.

    Funny how Obama doesn't know and isn't responsible for anything, yet Bush was held widely responsible for a natural hurricane hitting New Orleans, and media barely pointed a finger at FEMA, the governor, or mayor.

    Has Obama been held responsible for the incredibly slow recovery efforts in New Jersey after Sandy?
    Absolutely ... F & F, SOLYNDRA, LIGHTSQUARED ... don't get me started ... I'm trying to NOT post a graphic I've already posted.

    Corruption is the hallmark of Obama and his Administration.
    But these current examples are like 4 Obama turds dropping into the bowl at one time.
    Any actual or ersatz Obama supporter with any self respect would have been turned off to him by now.
    But as you can see on this site alone ... it ain't happenin'.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Absolutely ... F & F, SOLYNDRA, LIGHTSQUARED ... don't get me started ... I'm trying to NOT post a graphic I've already posted.

    Corruption is the hallmark of Obama and his Administration.
    But these current examples are like 4 Obama turds dropping into the bowl at one time.
    Any actual or ersatz Obama supporter with any self respect would have turned off to him by now.
    But as you can see on this site alone ... it ain't happenin'.
    Dang, I guessed I missed the graphic.

    Imagine, the most powerful and potentially dangerous government agency in the United States, is caught applying their power selectively and politically, and one of its commanders pleads the 5th as the Executive Branch runs for cover and cries "nothing to see here".

    Stunning.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Dang, I guessed I missed the graphic.

    Imagine, the most powerful and potentially dangerous government agency in the United States, is caught applying their power selectively and politically, and one of its commanders pleads the 5th as the Executive Branch runs for cover and cries "nothing to see hear".

    Stunning.
    They're trying to wear everyone out and it appears the whole chain of command is willing to say whatever they need to in order to stretch it out another day.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Max Baucus, really? Baucus is a red, red state Democrat who has voted
    with Republicans on most big issues and single handedly killed any discussion of single payor healthcare reform that lead to the passage of Obamacare, the plan that Republicans hate because it does too much and badly, and Democrats don't like because it doesn't do enough, and it does it badly. A lot of the concern is about optics, not culpability, President's don't see their approval ratings rise as more people think they are guilty of something, they see their approval ratings rise as they see the President under attack with unfounded allegations.



    It is a longstanding tradition, for good reason, that the White House keep an arms length relationship with the IRS. There is no process direction from the WH to the IRS precisely to avoid a reality or perception of political direction of the IRS. This is why some of the attacks have now devolved into accusing the President of "influencing" the IRS to be partisan by the simple act of being a partisan Democrat in charge of the Executive branch. Somehow saying what he approved of and what he did not approve of now counts as directives to the IRS (as if every President is not a partisan).



    Who cares. Unless there is some evidence that the President was needed to give an order and could not be located, it is completely irrelevant. Find evidence his whereabouts affected the safety of the people in Benghazi, then ask this question.




    Maureen Dowd has been an outspoken critic of Obama for years, and Robinson considers the IRS issue a scandal that doesn't involve the President, even though it looks bad.



    Really, are you really? If you are, then you are reading that Benghazi could not have been prevented or better responded to unless the President was omniscient, and the "talking points coverup" was the result of negotiations between the CIA, State Department, with an understanding that Justice did not want details like who was suspected included to protect the investigation and the WH quickly approved the most informative versions of the talking points. On the IRS, if you are reading liberals, you would understand that the IRS is kept at a distance from the political leadership for a very good reason.



    I get daily email updates from Politico and WaPo. Just a few minutes ago, I read the article about Petraeus and the Benghazi talking points and noted this quote from the CIA, "In an internal agency e-mail at 4:24 p.m. that Friday, he acknowledged that “there is a hurry to get this out.” The talking points should not “conflict with express instructions” from the National Security Council, the FBI and the Justice Department, he wrote, and that “in light of the criminal investigation, we are not to generate statements with assessments as to who did this.”

    The only thing that liberal journalist are bothered about is the AP and Rosen stories, and they should be, if they don't defend themselves, who will?




    I am not casting the President as a victim, I am describing my observations in light of my understanding of what happened 15 years ago to Bill Clinton, who saw his approval ratings go UP as he was impeached by the House. I don't "want" anything, it is an observation of what is happening.



    Should the President be informed about ongoing investigations? Really? The only purpose for doing this would be to give him input, and avoiding political input is a key element of many executive functions. Imagine he WERE informed about the AP subpoena before it was executed and stopped it. Now THAT would be scandalous. Imagine he had meetings with the IRS Director to discuss process, now THAT would be scandalous. The GOP is trying to blame the President for not knowing things that President's SHOULD NOT know.



    Again, I am making observations. As to how I regard the President, I see the President as a corporate Democrat, middle right authoritarian, a hair away from Mitt Romney on the political spectrum. But partisan politics are making that hair into a bottomless chasm, preventing governing from getting done. We are tragically broken systemically and no one is getting what they want except the corporate political funders who laugh at us while left blames right and right blames left, while they quietly steal from all of us beneath the fray.



    Again, I am making observations, Obama is not a victim, but his approval ratings indicate that he is being seen as the victim of unwarranted political attacks. If people were buying the allegations against the President, his approval ratings would be going down, not up. His "punishment" seems to be elevating him, just as Clinton's "punishment" did for him. But the real victim is the American people, who are the victims of a lack of government. Feel free to blame Obama for this, but I can't help noting that Obama never said he wanted Republicans to fail, but I can recall the very top of the GOP saying that their top goal was making Obama fail (as opposed to making America succeed).
    Actually Baucus in 2010 sent a letter to the IRS and asked them to look into these Conservative PACs.

    If anything he should have recused himself from the Commitee.

    As far as Obama's failure is concerned, that 's due to Obama's own hand, its due to his policies and it's due to his incompetence.

    The Republicans if anything have slowed him down a bit on his road to economic failure.

    You don't pass a health care law that arbitrarily mandates rising cost on bussiness and get to blame the Republicqns when those bussinesses respond in a obvious way.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Absolutely ... F & F, SOLYNDRA, LIGHTSQUARED ... don't get me started ... I'm trying to NOT post a graphic I've already posted.

    Corruption is the hallmark of Obama and his Administration.
    But these current examples are like 4 Obama turds dropping into the bowl at one time.
    Any actual or ersatz Obama supporter with any self respect would have been turned off to him by now.
    But as you can see on this site alone ... it ain't happenin'.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    The five most popular answers given at congressional hearings:

    1) I don't know
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    5) uh..........I don't know
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The only dumbass i know of was the conservatives who gave the president the power to ignore what used to be their rights using a flimsy excuse of national security or terrorism. You did give him the power to do some of these things, and expecting someone in power not to use their power was really stupid. Of course, it was so much better when bush did these things, right?
    Interesting assertion, no I was uneasy with the passage of the Patriot act but its sunset provisions were somewhat relieving...but I didn't count on a Congress held by DEMOCRATS and a President (who also is a Democrat) EXTENDING IT in 2010 (then again in 2011 with vast Democratic support)...I'm SURE you were outraged equally when this happened...right?
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Lois Lerner enjoys constitutional rights, denies citizens answers about theirs

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Simple enough, she doesn't want to have to name names.
    the 5th is to protect against self incrimination of a crime. not so you can protect others
    Also she made an opening state which means she waves that 5th amendment right

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    the 5th is to protect against self incrimination of a crime. not so you can protect others
    Also she made an opening state which means she waves that 5th amendment right
    Apparently the committee didn't think so. I heard they dismissed her after she stated she is taking the fifth.
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