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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I don't think he made a smart political decision at all. I don't know of anyone who thinks that guy has a ounce of credibillity.
    I agree he is a lying crook but he is, in effect, also taking the fifth. He can now more easily defer questions.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is her right to take the 5th.
    Right, and people have the right to infer what that means in regard to an IRS employee wanting to remain silent.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    so let's get this straight

    commissioner shulman testifies that he didn't tell congress what he knew because he only had "a partial set of facts"

    so he adamantly lied

    barack hussein obama can't say exactly when he knew what was going on (for 2 years), he learned what little he does know in the newspaper, and his caught out chief of staff is a whole lot smarter than he is

    and lois lerner invokes her fifth amendment right against self incrimination cuz fox news is #1 and glenn beck wears funny tennis shoes

    admin defenders are diminishing, delusional and distempered

    see them froth at the mouth

    all the good ones are gone

    obama is corrupt like nixon, dumb like biden and paranoid like stalin...

    have at it

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    His chief legal counsel as well as his chief of staff knew, yet he didn't know.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    independent of tigta, an internal irs review a year ago may, 2012, found the exemption office was engaged in unfair and illegal targeting of tea and other conservative groups and informed commissioner steven miller who testified last friday that no political targeting was going on

    this guy could very well end up in jail, and if you've seen him testifying on tv you can probably see that ugly awareness in his careworn face

    An Internal Revenue Service review of the agency’s approach of scrutinizing conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status questioned the now-controversial policy a year ago, according to House Oversight and Government Reform Committee spokesman Ali Ahmad.

    In late March 2012, IRS deputy commissioner Steven Miller–who resigned his post as acting commissioner last week at President Obama’s request–directed senior technical advisor Nancy J. Marks to investigate allegations of political targeting of groups seeking tax exempt status, agency officials told congressional aides. Holly Paz, acting director of ruling and agreements, worked with Marks on the probe, and both traveled to Cincinnati to conduct interviews.

    On May 3, 2012. Marks gave what IRS officials described as a “presentation” to Miller describing her findings. Marks said the investigation had found significant problems in the review process and a substantial bias against conservative groups, Ahmad said. No written findings were produced as a result, the aide said, and it does not appear the internal review led to any disciplinary actions against IRS employees.
    Internal IRS probe cited same problems with approach to conservative groups in May 2012, House aide says

    are you surprised?

    then pull your head out

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    "This is probably the worst possible outcome from the White House point of view," CNBC's John Harwood said on Lois Lerner's decision to plead the Fifth at Wdnesday's House Oversight hearing on the IRS probe. "The Inspector General had said he did see evidence of criminality in the scandal but when she stands there, takes the Fifth and says, 'to protect myself against self-incrimination, I'm not going to answer your question,' that is going to be the last thing the White House wants to see on television."
    CNBC's Harwood: Lerner Pleading Fifth Is "Worst Possible Outcome For White House" | RealClearPolitics

    try not to get too angry, now, try to take bad news like a big boy or girl

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is her right to take the 5th.
    What a patriot she is! I wonder if she'll be rewarded with a big Obamcare job?

    God, this entire administration stinks from every angle. We are just getting a glimpse of it now.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    What a patriot she is! I wonder if she'll be rewarded with a big Obamcare job?

    God, this entire administration stinks from every angle. We are just getting a glimpse of it now.
    Kinda makes Watergate look like an infraction comparable to a broken tail light on your car.

    And I believe this IRS thing is just a distraction to divert attention from Benghazi investigations.

    I wonder what new bumps there will be down the Obama road ?

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    you can only plead the fifth to keep from incriminating yourself in a crime. so she is admitting there was a crime
    Wow, exercising one's Constitutional rights is an admission of being guilty of a crime?

    What a stupid Constitution... Or perhaps a radical misunderstanding of it. One need not be guilty to be accused and convicted of a crime, and with Republicans screaming that someone has to go jail (presence of a crime not required), so who wants to be Darrel Issa's sacrificial lamb (yes, read that as scapegoat)?

    It's funny, if somewhat off topic, that Republicans have successfully prevented the President from getting any governing done, and this lack of accomplishment was dragging the President's approval numbers down. Now he has become the victim, the underdog, and America loves an underdog (approval up to 54% with nothing but scandal accusations happening) I wonder why the GOP is so hot to call everything a scandal and impeachable offenses instead of waiting to see if there is anything there? I am starting to think that the GOP has become the party that cried scandal and Americans just aren't buying it. If the President is ever actually involved in a scandal, no one is even going to be listening to the GOP.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Your problem is that many of the folks who are "concerned" and "troubled" and just outright disgusted aren't members of the GOP. Take Max Baucus as only one example.

    Another problem is that at some point--I'm not sure where--the President does have to be accountable. At the very least, he needs to explain why he supposedly knows nothing about what's going on. About anything.

    I've seen the photo-opp pics in the "Situation Room" of him and Sec/State Clinton. Where was the President on 9-11?

    I'm reading the Washington Post and, grudgingly, the NY Times. Sorry, but when you have the likes of Maureen Dowd and Eugene Robinson speaking up, the Obama Admin has a problem.

    Your mistake is in thinking that people are "listening to the GOP." I'm not a Republican, and I'm not just reading what George Will has to say; I've been reading what progressives are now beginning to say.

    And this is maybe what you should think about--the fact that it's not just the GOP speaking up now. Catch up on what Politico is saying. Check the WaPo headlines if nothing else.

    Just don't cast the President as a victim...unless, of course, you mean to say that he's a victim of his own hubris. Do you seriously want your fellow citizens to regard the President of the United States as a "victim" or an "underdog"?

    Seriously? Is he also a credulous dupe who just had no earthly idea what the heck was going on in his own Admin? Or were his chief legal counsel and chief of staff just too skeered of his basic coolness and awesomeness that they "protected" him from the FACTS that are now emerging?

    If you genuinely regard Obama as some tragi-heroic, trailblazing hero, then I'd think you'd prefer to see him as a hardball-playing, ruthless, cynical political player than some pitiably clueless dolt.

    If Obama is a "victim," it's of his own hubris. Or "boldness" for which he must be punished. Or doltishness. Your choice.

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